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02-18-2020, 01:27 PM | #73 | |
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02-19-2020, 02:32 AM | #74 |
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I just talk to the turner about standalone ecu in my car. It will take him 5 days to do the wiring and 2 days to do the ecu tuning. It will cost 8000AUD around. MCM reality show does not mention this and make the wiring look easy. With haltech their sponsor, who would spend 8000 just for an ecu.
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02-19-2020, 05:50 AM | #75 | |
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Yes, MCM did not mention the $1200.00 ecu or how long it took to wire it and create a basemap and final mapping from scratch. Depending on the ecu you buy, there may be basemaps online that would get your car running, then usually a few hours on the dyno should result in a safe, reliable tune.
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02-19-2020, 06:28 AM | #76 |
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I visited the tuner face to face, and that shop is a reputable shop in Sydney. I ask him many many questions. His answer is around this is a once off job that requires lots of research, and may have some problem to overcome.. Wiring is the most complicated bit. I am not doing a piggy back, I am doing a standalone ECU and require to wire the Drive my wire to increase the RPM limit.
I am in the process of contacting the wiring guru Dave as mentioned in MCM episode. I also watched that MCM episode again. Judging by the same clothes before and after the wiring, highly likely to be on the same day. In the MCM episode, Elite 750 does not need to wire Drive By wire throttle. I have special requirement to use Elite 1500 to wire the Drive by wire throttle to increase the rpm limit..The MCM episode said Elite 750 is a piggy back system. I am not sure by adding Drive by wire in the equation, would it make it 10 times more difficult? Also, that MCM build does not have abs and traction control, whereas my car has those things. The MCM is using a older corolla engine (judging by the oil filter), that corolla does not have abs and traction control. My version of corolla has more safety features, and using a cartilage oil filter. MCM also use the same wiring diagram in my car (as shown in the pdf in their Macbook) There is no basemap for this engine, the closest is 3sGE with dual VVTI, but after talking to the sales in Haltech, they told me basemap is not the bottleneck in tuning I will report back here after talking to Dave, who is working at haltech in Sydney Last edited by benoityip; 02-19-2020 at 07:38 AM. |
02-19-2020, 10:57 AM | #77 |
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That honestly doesn't sound too umrealistic of a price all in. Paying that much you expect it to run flawlessly and that is what they likely are delivering.
You have to factor in the research and time they have to do to make it work. This is something that many of us take for granted as we do it on our spare time and dont really consider it as time on our builds. This is something that I've been pondering recently about the true cost of me going for a high compression 2zr build down the road. It seems that only way to do this is in stages to spread to cost over time. No way I'm dropping $10k CAD on my track toy. This is with me doing as much labor as possible. The main issue to cost is the 2zr not being a tuner platform. There is no OTS starting point for engine management. Pay to play for dyno time and a tuner to start from scratch. I've seriously considered a 20 swap but in all reality that seems even more expensive when all said and done
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02-19-2020, 11:11 AM | #78 | |
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02-19-2020, 12:10 PM | #79 | |
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A good tuning shop will know exactly what the reality would be with a swapped engine which now involves an additional wiring diagram and complexities. A good shop is full of work and isn't grasping at work to keep the lights on which makes the cost reflective of what it would cost to be worth it for them. Again, I guarantee this is their all in cost for a well sorted car, not one that has idle issues and ambient temp issues that need to be sorted by the owner. A standalone is a whole different ball game than a piggyback, they are not even close. Dealing with DBW vs a piggyback which keeps the original ECU in place to manage all of that is apples to oranges. Your build is an example of the above. How much time have you put into making your car driveable and idle properly? Keep in mind this is all on a piggyback and not a standalone. Now think of how much time it would have been for a tuner to do all of that when you factor all of the time in that you spent reading things online and various wiring diagrams. When you take a step back you are hours upon hours into your build, and all of this is just to get it street driveable, not necessarily ready for the demands of a track and heat soak or various maps. I am no different, but if I expected a shop to do what I did I would expect to pay big $. In the world of tuning and car builds you pay to play...or you do it yourself (and still pay somewhat). Yes the above quote is a lot of cash but not out of the realm of what I would somewhat expect for a top tuning shop for a ready to go car.
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02-19-2020, 04:13 PM | #80 | |
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You are correct in that I did chase a few issues. I suffered idle bucking and found the cure for that (2.2Kohm resistor) on the crank signal wire. I also did have to make alterations to my fuel and timing maps to compensate for the difference between a dyno tune and the street driving realities. So far, I have been extremely fortunate. My car starts virtually as soon as I turn the key, Idle is perfect. What I would like in a standalone - vs the piggyback - though is the ability to control partial boost/partial AFR.
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02-19-2020, 11:01 PM | #81 |
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MCM new episode. I may have to change my mind about MCM. This was a good episode!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr_RYV3LKD4
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02-19-2020, 11:40 PM | #82 |
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o ye of little faith :p
I'm at work now so will need to wait to watch (extended toilet break, here we come!), but that's a reassuring comment from you!
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02-19-2020, 11:56 PM | #83 |
Gen 3 > Gen 2
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I hope they rebuild it, maybe with a stronger bottom end and keep Yaris Hilton going.
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02-21-2020, 09:09 AM | #84 |
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They rarely keep any of the cars that they build. From a financial standpoint it wouldn't make sense to rebuild a car that no one really likes. If they do put it back together I wouldn't be surprised if they toss another 2zr in it, leave it stock, and get rid of it.
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02-21-2020, 10:33 PM | #85 | |
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02-24-2020, 03:19 AM | #86 |
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Last episode in the Yaris Hilton saga went up, looks like they tied up most of the loose ends for us Yaris nerds ;)
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03-02-2020, 12:37 AM | #87 |
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LOL, yes they did. Sad to see her go.
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03-02-2020, 11:46 AM | #88 |
2ZR swap. DO IT! Ask how!
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It was good to see them drop the "personality" stunts and just be real about it.
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03-02-2020, 12:19 PM | #89 |
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Amen! I was getting sick of the ghost easter eggs throughout their vids. I guess spectres and phantoms sell, since about 90% of the comments were about that. If nothing else, they know their audience, or know how to make one.
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