Is it a good idea to move from Synthetic oil to normal oil ?

[IllusionX]

Originally Posted by bronsin

5W-30 is what the owners manual says for all climates but Phoenix gets to 100+ so you might want to speak to the service manager at Toyota and ask them.

Normally the OM is the bible for all such questions. However if I moved to Phoenix the first thing Id do is ask the SM at Toyota what they recommend.

So what did they recommend to you?

You know some part of Canada regularly get 100+°F in the summer? I would say unless you live in the middle East, where temps stay 100+ at night, you don't need heavy weight oil.

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[bronsin]

Originally Posted by IllusionX

So what did they recommend to you?

You know some part of Canada regularly get 100+°F in the summer? I would say unless you live in the middle East, where temps stay 100+ at night, you don't need heavy weight oil.

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Ive noticed people posting from places like the Middle East that they use 20W-50. Why I don't know. MAybe Toyota does?

Phoenix gets to 120 in the summer. Stop and go driving with the AC on under those conditions would be about the most extreme operating conditions I could imagine. I definitely would want some input from people with professional experience about what oil to use.

I have serious doubts 5W-30 is going to cut it.

[IllusionX]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Ive noticed people posting from places like the Middle East that they use 20W-50. Why I don't know. MAybe Toyota does?

Phoenix gets to 120 in the summer. Stop and go driving with the AC on under those conditions would be about the most extreme operating conditions I could imagine. I definitely would want some input from people with professional experience about what oil to use.

I have serious doubts 5W-30 is going to cut it.

I don't think temps are sooo bad in AZ to go all the way to 20w50. But like I said, they middle East guys use it because night temps are probably 100F over there. Lol

You are seeing 60's temps in the winter, I would def stay around 5w30 to 10w40.the



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[bronsin]

Originally Posted by IllusionX

I don't think temps are sooo bad in AZ to go all the way to 20w50. But like I said, they middle East guys use it because night temps are probably 100F over there. Lol

You are seeing 60's temps in the winter, I would def stay around 5w30 to 10w40.the



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I could see using 10W-40 in a place like TX or Phoenix. Now that the wifes Camry is at 123k miles and is starting to use a little oil, I put a couple of quarts of 10W-40 in for the summer months. I can go 5000 miles without adding a quart that way. (usually)

[Ranger SVO]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Ive noticed people posting from places like the Middle East that they use 20W-50. Why I don't know. MAybe Toyota does?

Phoenix gets to 120 in the summer. Stop and go driving with the AC on under those conditions would be about the most extreme operating conditions I could imagine. I definitely would want some input from people with professional experience about what oil to use.

I have serious doubts 5W-30 is going to cut it.

And that's what I thought, but I was wrong. I go to Phoenix every summer to visit my mother-in-law. I usually spend a couple of weeks there then I go to Las Vegas for a week (I'm a teacher, so I'm off all summer).

I take either my 2010 Yaris or my 2012 Honda Civic.

I was concerned because Honda only recommends a 0W20 oil for the Civic. So I E-Mailed Mobil 1 back in 2013 about my concern, their response;

Dear Bill,

Thank you for your inquiry. Mobil 1 0W20 AFE does provide excellent high temperature protection and thermal stability is outstanding. It is certainly fine to use Mobil 1 0W20 in the environment that you described. According to the specifications for your vehicle, 0W20 is recommended and we highly recommend that you stay with your manufacturer's requirement.
Sincerely,
Mobil Help Desk
1-800-ASK-MOBIL

Well, if Mobil 1 0W20 AFE (what I use in the Honda) can handle Phoenix and Las Vegas temperatures, can't I assume that Mobil 1 5W30 EP (what I use in the Yaris) can also handle those extremes.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by Ranger SVO

And that's what I thought, but I was wrong. I go to Phoenix every summer to visit my mother-in-law. I usually spend a couple of weeks there then I go to Las Vegas for a week (I'm a teacher, so I'm off all summer).

I take either my 2010 Yaris or my 2012 Honda Civic.

I was concerned because Honda only recommends a 0W20 oil for the Civic. So I E-Mailed Mobil 1 back in 2013 about my concern, their response;

Dear Bill,

Thank you for your inquiry. Mobil 1 0W20 AFE does provide excellent high temperature protection and thermal stability is outstanding. It is certainly fine to use Mobil 1 0W20 in the environment that you described. According to the specifications for your vehicle, 0W20 is recommended and we highly recommend that you stay with your manufacturer's requirement.
Sincerely,
Mobil Help Desk
1-800-ASK-MOBIL

Well, if Mobil 1 0W20 AFE (what I use in the Honda) can handle Phoenix and Las Vegas temperatures, can't I assume that Mobil 1 5W30 EP (what I use in the Yaris) can also handle those extremes.

I respect what the OM says and it was interesting to read the letter Mobile sent you. You cant go far wrong to follow their advice. Especially since Mobile says do what the OM sez!

However!

When your car hits 100k miles and you put 0W-20 (or even 5W-30) synthetic oil in it the oil consumption is going to go UP! Even more when its 120 degrees! My wifes Camry with ~120k uses a quart of 5W-30 (regular) in less than 2000 miles but only about half a quart of 10W-40 in ~5000 miles. Since synthetic oil is thinner I have to believe oil consumption would be even higher in that case.

If you have children like I do when they come to visit theres often no oil on the dipstick and 15 psi in the tires. Having been a car mechanic Im pretty sure the general public isn't to far from those things too.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by IllusionX

So what did they recommend to you?

You know some part of Canada regularly get 100+°F in the summer? I would say unless you live in the middle East, where temps stay 100+ at night, you don't need heavy weight oil.

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My blue Yaris = 'Phoenix Summer Weather Tested' , so to speak. Lots of stop and go as well. Also, have never done a cooling system flush on the '07 either......and I've never had any Yaris issues in Phoenix and always = running 5-30 oil.. That heat though.........usually one of the only places in the U.S. that regularly has a summer heat index that exceeds any of the major Texas metros. One of my cousins lived within the Phoenix Metro for 10 years....and at certain times during the summer....he'd go to Prescott to escape that level of heat. AFAIK, my cousin always used the recommended in the OM oil weight for any vehicle (subcompacts), usually 5-30.