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H3LlIoN · 06-09-2010, 10:18 PM

cdy...any word on flow shop/rough cost?

As to cams...two weeks before I can get her in to the shop. Sry for the bad news gents.

H3LlIoN · 06-10-2010, 02:38 PM

bleh...$320 to $400 to flow head. I'm not paying for that. I'll just dyno it and be happy, or not.

cali yaris · 06-10-2010, 03:14 PM

^ supposed to be Gude's job anyway.

Bluevitz-rs · 06-10-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

^ supposed to be Gude's job anyway.

Ba-dum-che.

Jason@SportsCar · 06-10-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

^ supposed to be Gude's job anyway.

We contacted them during our search for head/cam work, I was not impressed. They had no specs, or even basic information - what should be basic if someone was actually doing this work - they had to call me back with the answers. Confidence, zero. They appear to be a middle man for an unknown machine shop.

H3LlIoN · 06-10-2010, 09:26 PM

Yeah I'm waiting to see numbers to make final judgment, but I'm overall less than pleased at the experience so far. Any time I ask any questions, I get the run around about corporate espionage and such...all the while I'm thinking "dude. you've got $1620 of my money, you better come up with something!" Any way, he seems pretty sure of his product, so I'll wait and see what the numbers come back with.

As of right now, tech guys are telling me there may be some clearance issues putting my cams in the factory head, we'll wait and see what happens though, I'll get some putty and check it out.

Any body have a link for the ARP head stud kit?

H3LlIoN · 06-10-2010, 09:28 PM

Also not happy with the turnaround time, but again, the whole point was for someone to "be the guinea pig," so whatev.

rob323 · 06-10-2010, 10:02 PM

If the head has been measured, factory cams measured, stock head flowed to see what potential it had and how much work it needed, then every port worked on, then reflowed, ports reworked to equal them up, reflowed again to double check, then grind custom cam to suit, then preassemble to make sure cam doesn't foul on the head etc, I don't think a month is at all unreasonable (unless much shorter promises. were made and broken).

I was once told by a very experience engine head guy, that it takes him about 8 hours per port for 2 valve per cylinder motors and more for 4 valve per cylinder motors.

H3LlIoN · 06-11-2010, 09:15 AM

Well if he had said "hey listen, it's gonna be a month and a half" I'd be cool with it, but he started telling me @ week three that I "should have it by the end of next week" which kinda' pissed me off.

Jason@SportsCar · 06-11-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by H3LlIoN

Yeah I'm waiting to see numbers to make final judgment, but I'm overall less than pleased at the experience so far. Any time I ask any questions, I get the run around about corporate espionage and such...all the while I'm thinking "dude. you've got $1620 of my money, you better come up with something!" Any way, he seems pretty sure of his product, so I'll wait and see what the numbers come back with.

As of right now, tech guys are telling me there may be some clearance issues putting my cams in the factory head, we'll wait and see what happens though, I'll get some putty and check it out.

Any body have a link for the ARP head stud kit?

You have to respect someone trying to protect their investment in the R&D process, and they are certainly within their right to do so. However, I have not talked to one reputably engine builder that would not share all of the data I asked for - this goes for both our current and past projects. Most of these guys are secure enough knowing people come to them because of reputation, and based on that alone they will share - telling someone flow numbers does not tell how you achieved them.

I think the issue here is caused by the dealer. They likely fear that if anyone knew what machine shop made the parts they would be cut out of the loop.

Hopefully the difficult journey pays off for you.

cdydjded · 06-11-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by H3LlIoN

Any body have a link for the ARP head stud kit?

ARP does not have head bolts or head studs for the 1NZ. Use brand new factory bolts & you will not have any issues.....

H3LlIoN · 06-11-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cdydjded

ARP does not have head bolts or head studs for the 1NZ. Use brand new factory bolts & you will not have any issues.....

I know Garm & Aras are running head stud kits...who makes 'em? With as often as this engine will be coming apart, I'd rather not fork for new bolts every time I break it down...

Thirty-Nine · 06-11-2010, 07:38 PM

I really hope for the best!

I know years ago when I was big into Hondas, there had been a lot of mixed results both performance wise and customer service wise with Gude. When I saw their name pop up in the Yaris circle, I was quite surprised.

cali yaris · 06-12-2010, 03:05 PM

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I know Garm & Aras are running head stud kits...who makes 'em?

We got ARP studs for a different car and re-threaded both the block and the head.

There is a thread on MI for aftermarket studs available from a company in Spain.

H3LlIoN · 06-12-2010, 08:08 PM

ty Garm

GnomeBody · 08-18-2010, 07:50 PM

Any luck?

D&D · 08-20-2010, 05:06 PM

<-- subscribed :)

Bluevitz-rs · 08-20-2010, 11:36 PM

Updates?

06-09-2010, 10:18 PM	#127
H3LlIoN View User's Garage Drives: '09 Yarrrr hatch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midatlantic Posts: 727	cdy...any word on flow shop/rough cost? As to cams...two weeks before I can get her in to the shop. Sry for the bad news gents. __________________ Toyota Moving Forward ...even when you don't want it to. Special thanks to Cali Yaris, 1NZYaris1 and lilredrocket

06-10-2010, 02:38 PM	#128
H3LlIoN View User's Garage Drives: '09 Yarrrr hatch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midatlantic Posts: 727	bleh...$320 to $400 to flow head. I'm not paying for that. I'll just dyno it and be happy, or not. __________________ Toyota Moving Forward ...even when you don't want it to. Special thanks to Cali Yaris, 1NZYaris1 and lilredrocket

06-10-2010, 03:14 PM	#129
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	^ supposed to be Gude's job anyway. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

06-10-2010, 09:26 PM	#132
H3LlIoN View User's Garage Drives: '09 Yarrrr hatch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midatlantic Posts: 727	Yeah I'm waiting to see numbers to make final judgment, but I'm overall less than pleased at the experience so far. Any time I ask any questions, I get the run around about corporate espionage and such...all the while I'm thinking "dude. you've got $1620 of my money, you better come up with something!" Any way, he seems pretty sure of his product, so I'll wait and see what the numbers come back with. As of right now, tech guys are telling me there may be some clearance issues putting my cams in the factory head, we'll wait and see what happens though, I'll get some putty and check it out. Any body have a link for the ARP head stud kit? __________________ Toyota Moving Forward ...even when you don't want it to. Special thanks to Cali Yaris, 1NZYaris1 and lilredrocket

06-10-2010, 09:28 PM	#133
H3LlIoN View User's Garage Drives: '09 Yarrrr hatch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midatlantic Posts: 727	Also not happy with the turnaround time, but again, the whole point was for someone to "be the guinea pig," so whatev. __________________ Toyota Moving Forward ...even when you don't want it to. Special thanks to Cali Yaris, 1NZYaris1 and lilredrocket

06-10-2010, 10:02 PM	#134
rob323 Don't drive it, RALLY it! Drives: 1999 echo PRC rally car Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Joyner, Brisbane Posts: 321	If the head has been measured, factory cams measured, stock head flowed to see what potential it had and how much work it needed, then every port worked on, then reflowed, ports reworked to equal them up, reflowed again to double check, then grind custom cam to suit, then preassemble to make sure cam doesn't foul on the head etc, I don't think a month is at all unreasonable (unless much shorter promises. were made and broken). I was once told by a very experience engine head guy, that it takes him about 8 hours per port for 2 valve per cylinder motors and more for 4 valve per cylinder motors.

06-11-2010, 09:15 AM	#135
H3LlIoN View User's Garage Drives: '09 Yarrrr hatch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midatlantic Posts: 727	Well if he had said "hey listen, it's gonna be a month and a half" I'd be cool with it, but he started telling me @ week three that I "should have it by the end of next week" which kinda' pissed me off. __________________ Toyota Moving Forward ...even when you don't want it to. Special thanks to Cali Yaris, 1NZYaris1 and lilredrocket

06-11-2010, 07:38 PM	#139
Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	I really hope for the best! I know years ago when I was big into Hondas, there had been a lot of mixed results both performance wise and customer service wise with Gude. When I saw their name pop up in the Yaris circle, I was quite surprised. __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

06-12-2010, 08:08 PM	#141
H3LlIoN View User's Garage Drives: '09 Yarrrr hatch Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midatlantic Posts: 727	ty Garm __________________ Toyota Moving Forward ...even when you don't want it to. Special thanks to Cali Yaris, 1NZYaris1 and lilredrocket

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