Know by Toyota Yaris defect

[rslyk]

We own a 2007 Yaris 3dr Hatch back. We have discovered a defect
that Toyota has been aware of since Nov 2007. Toyota made an
inproduction change but elected to conceal a impending failure in
all previously produced cars...."Total customer care" they call it.
If you want to see the proof, email me and I'll send you the internal Toyota Technical Service Buliten.....UPDATE
Yaris world CTSCOTT has just posted the TSB list...
look at #TSBEG048-07

[CTScott]

Would it happen to be one of these:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9753


T-AC001-07(HVAC Odor )
T-AC003-07(Blower Motor Noise & Vibration )
T-BO002-07(Windshield Wiper-Washer Performance Improvement )
T-BO011-06(Parking Brake Lever Dust Boot )
T-EG010-07(M.I.L. ON DTC P0011, P0012, or P0016 )
T-EG032-07(Accessory Drive Belt Noise (Revised) )
T-EG035-06(Excessive Sulfur Odor (Revised) )
T-EG040-07(M.I.L. ON DTC P0335 Only )
T-EG048-07(M.I.L. ON DTC P043E, P043F, P2401, P2402, & P2419)
T-EL001-07(IG1 Relay Freezing )
T-EL002-07(Charging System Warning Light ON )
TS-AU001-06(Audio Quick Reference Guide (Revised) )
T-SB-0026-08 (Trunk Lid Full Open Position Improvement)
T-SB-0027-08 (HVAC Evaporator Drain Blockage)
T-SB-0038-08(Cylinder Head Cover Baffle Precautions)
T-SB-0053-08 (Alignment Pin Installation during Transmission Transaxle)
T-SB-0065-08 (Blower Motor Noise &Vibration)
T-SB-0067-08 (Noise from Auxiliary Port with External Device)
T-SB-0120-08 (ABS M.I.L. ON DTC C0210 or C0215)
T-SB-0138-08 (Permanent-Type Protective Wax Coatings)
T-SB-0142-08 (Upper - Lower Windshield Tick Noise)
T-SB-0197-08 (Tire Pressure Warning System Activation )
T-SB-0200-08 (Automatic Transmission Serial Number Locations)
T-SB-0201-08 (MY Yaris Pre-Delivery Service)
T-SB-0260-08 (Remanufactured Automatic Transmission Serial Number)
T-SB-0288-08 (Front Seat Squeak Noise)
T-SB-0301-08 (Engine Serial Number Location)
T-SB-0302-08 (Special Service Tools)
T-SB-0304-08 (Upper Instrument Panel Rattle)
TS-BO017-03(Trim Garnish Loose (Revised) )
TS-EG018-06 (ILSAC GF-4 Engine Oil Recommendation)
TS-EL003-07(Supplemental Restraint )
TS-EL009-07(Programming OEM Wireless Door Lock Remote Transmitters )
TS-EL010-07(WIRELESS TRANSMITTER & Programming Guide
TS-PA001-07(Refinishing Replacement Bumper Covers )
TS-SS002-07(TECHSTREAM ECU FLASH REPROGRAMMING PROCEDURE)
TS-ST005-01 (VEHICLE PULLING TO ONE SIDE)
TS-SU007-06(Shock Absorber Replacement )
TS-TC003-07(Driveshaft Assembly Replacement )
TS-TC010-07 (World Standard Automatic Transmission Fluid )
TS-TR-0061-W (2008 VIN Decoding)
TS-TR-0062-W (2009 VIN Decoding)

[rslyk]

tsb048-o7

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by rslyk

tsb048-o7

OK - So, it's one of the published TSBs. In my 2 years of participating in this forum, I've seen one person mention having this issue, versus the AC odor one, of which probably close to 100 have complained of. Just because there is a published TSB, doesn't mean that every car which that TSB applies to will have that issue. It is to educate the service people of a known potential issue, so they don't have to spend a great deal of time troubleshooting that issue, when a customer comes in. This is standard practice for all car manufacturers.

My only issue with this is that manufacturers typically only address the issue if it is discovered while the car is still under warranty. But, there again, if they didn't use the warranty period as the demarcation, then what would be a reasonable period to continue addressing the issue?

[rslyk]

I believe that the FIRST time that the cars with this are driven for an extended period in a reasonaable heavy rain storm this failure will occur REGARDLESS of period of in
service time. If you look at the replacement parts differences it is clear that they
were concerned enough to do a redesign but not honorable enough to offer
a $100 update to avoid a $1200 repair that was caused by a known defect. This
goes directly to the question of INTEGRITY. This is not a failure of use, wear and
tear or expectation of service....I believe it is a continuation of the corporate
mentality to dismiss known defects as "OUTSIDE" warranty period. To answer
your question of how long....if a change in production is made to correct potential
failure and no offer of at customer cost update at "IN DEALERSHIP" major service intervals is made....forever. This is truely an issue of integrity not warranty. Regardless of the number of complaints you have viewed during your participation in this forum....
to dissmiss this defect is not considerate of those folks who have these infected cars and need to be informed so that they make choice of a $100 up date prior to failure.

[bobolinko]

Originally Posted by rslyk

tsb048-o7

Either there is a missing post, or I'm not seeing all of them, but Where is the TSB that's being addressed ? I do not see, nor can I find anywhere, any reference to TSB-048-07. I'm interested in seeing that TSB....
Now my curiosity is Piqued........

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by bobolinko

Either there is a missing post, or I'm not seeing all of them, but Where is the TSB that's being addressed ? I do not see, nor can I find anywhere, any reference to TSB-048-07. I'm interested in seeing that TSB....
Now my curiosity is Piqued........

It's posted in the thread that I linked to in my post above. It is in regards to the evaporative canister getting saturated with water. The fix is a change to the filler pipe cover.

[CTScott]

By the way, check out this site, which lists the number of TSBs by manufacturer:

http://www.mycarstats.com/reports/tsbs.aspx

[rslyk]

hopefully by the time you get this you will have seen the list from CTSCOTT
that I am sure will cause Every Toyota dealer in the world to quivering. tsbo48-07 is about < o7 3 door hatch backs....if you have one outside warranty within the vin # range....fix it....then picket a Toyota dealership, they will not take you seriously otherwise. That is my opinion.

[Stove]

Take a look at the TSB lists for any car company. Toyota isn't the only company that has to do a little re-engineering after releasing a car or that tries to cut corners in an attempt to maximize profits.

"Honorable"? They are in business to make money, just like every other company. Do they build a good car? In my opinion, yes they do.

[rslyk]

Originally Posted by Stove

Take a look at the TSB lists for any car company. Toyota isn't the only company that has to do a little re-engineering after releasing a car or that tries to cut corners in an attempt to maximize profits.

"Honorable"? They are in business to make money, just like every other company. Do they build a good car? In my opinion, yes they do.

STOVE try reading The TSB EG048-07 in question....Does the fact that cutting corners and re-engineering justify not offering to update a known defect...As long as consumers accept this type of "customer care" by Toyota, more hidden defects like the ones killing people nation wide will be concealed as "out of Warranty"..... Unless you live in total isolation you must surely see the millions of dollars in advertising propaganda Toyota is spending to restore their percieved integrity. My point is that the defect is real, very cheap to reslove, very expensive if allowed to occur. If the defect is real enough to change production it is real enough to offer an update of cars in the field....a Question of warranty ?.... no...a question of integrity.

[MadMax]

Seriously, are you new to automobiles? These things happen to all makes and models of car, regardless of the manufacturer. You act like it is some kind of life-and-death issue that has killed hundreds of people. It is a service bulletin, your dealership is aware of it and if it's such an issue with you, then take it up with them.

But it is not a recall item, which is what manufacturers do when an issue warrants it. This one does not, so it is handled by a TSB.

And can the "honorable company or not" poll, as it is insulting. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, do you really consider that to be "honorable?" Are you really insinuating that Toyota would cut such a minor corner and it somehow saved them millions of dollars? If so, you're worse than the media...

[rslyk]

MadMax...you must be a Toyota employee...or at least a peson in the
business that thinks that integrity is not a part of business... if my poll
insults you then.... I apologise...not for my poll but for your total lack
of the concept of intergity.

[cdydjded]

Im a little confused. In you first post you put:
TSB048-07
in the 11th post you put:
TSB EG048-07

If the latter is correct then here is the TSB directly from Toyota:
http://www.diymyowncar.com/toyota/ya...&%20P2419).pdf

And another thing I dont understand is this statement:
"Toyota made an inproduction change but elected to conceal a impending failure in all previously produced cars"

How is Toyota "concealing" something if the put out a bulletin? The bulletin clearly states , by vin # the car with problems.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by rslyk

MadMax...you must be a Toyota employee...or at least a peson in the
business that thinks that integrity is not a part of business... if my poll
insults you then.... I apologise...not for my poll but for your total lack
of the concept of intergity.

No, I don't work for Toyota and my Yaris is my first car by the manufacturer; but I probably have more time driving and owning cars than you have on this planet and your rant about a simple TSB is ridiculous!

As for integrity, I don't think you want to challenge me on that...

And learn how to spell...

[tomato]

"honorable" you mean as opposed to slimey, greedy, know-that-it-will-kill-you-but-will-sell-it-to-you-anyway kind of company, right?

Yeah, I do believe Toyota is a reputable, and honorable company.

To be more specific, it is my opinion that Toyota has been making durable, well built cars since I'm old enough to drive. It wasn't that long ago that you could still walk around and see 20+ year old Toyotas on the road around here (California recently cracked down on older vehicles, so that's why you don't see them anymore, but I bet if the smog laws weren't so strict, you'd still see them around). So yeah, I have a great deal of consumer trust in the brand.

Every car company has recalls and cars do break down with use, almost all cars do. I guess you'll have to look at the percentages to see whether a company makes a good product, but the answer is still yes, otherwise, I wouldn't have bought a Yaris.

PS. I used to own Hondas before. The Yaris is my first Toyota.

[rslyk]

To cdydjded...Thank you for asisting me with my inaccurate TSB # I see
by your profile you have a Yaris lift Back have you read tsb eg048-07 to
see if it applies to you....If it does i would suggest you spend the $25 to
update your car.....as to concealment.....if it applies to your car it is my
opinion that unless you heard It from Toyota rather than I the information
was concealed from you. This TSB was never send to owners or distributed
a FYI to warn owners of a POSSIBLE upcoming failure that prompted Toyota
to make a production change. In my opinion that consitutes concealment.

[tomato]

I forgot to say. I'm not counting hybrid vehicles. I know next to nothing about hybrid vehicles but IMO, those are in a separate class. The technology is kinda new so we'll have to see in a few years which company comes out on top.

In any event, you were wondering if we thought Toyota is an honorable company so there you have it. Of course, that's the general answer you're gonna get on a Toyota Yaris enthusiast board, you know that right