Chipped Keys

[bronsin]

How much is a chipped key to replace? The key to my wifes 05 Camry (109k miles) is completely worn out. The drivers door keyslot is also about 30 degees from vertical. Does anyone know what this means? The spare keys all work but not in the drivers door.

Anyway she wanted a chipped key when she bought the car but I said "Trust me, you do NOT want a chipped key!"

So....how much can I tell her I saved us?

Also, what problems are we looking at down the line since the locks have been operated with a worn out key? Will we need a new ignition switch for instance?

Against my advice my wife always locks her car even in places it doesnt need to be locked. Now her drivers door lock is trashed!

If they would only LISTEN! (but they dont!)

[CTScott]

You can buy the chipped blanks for $10 and have them cut any place, but Toyota will hit you with a charge to make the ECM "learn" the new key.

[bronsin]

$59 for the hardware store to cut a chipped key here in NJ.

Does that include programming?

[JustPassinThru]

Originally Posted by bronsin

How much is a chipped key to replace? The key to my wifes 05 Camry (109k miles) is completely worn out. The drivers door keyslot is also about 30 degees from vertical. Does anyone know what this means? The spare keys all work but not in the drivers door.

Anyway she wanted a chipped key when she bought the car but I said "Trust me, you do NOT want a chipped key!"

So....how much can I tell her I saved us?

Also, what problems are we looking at down the line since the locks have been operated with a worn out key? Will we need a new ignition switch for instance?

Against my advice my wife always locks her car even in places it doesnt need to be locked. Now her drivers door lock is trashed!

If they would only LISTEN! (but they dont!)

Trust me, you do not want a chipped key.

In fact...I leave a key in one of the coin trays to work the ignition. So many times I'd locked my keys inside the car, over the years...now with theft-resistance systems, it's harder to force your way in. Harder and more expensive to have someone do it - cops don't open doors anymore and a Slim Jim won't do it.

So, I keep my key ring on a hook on my belt; and I leave an ignition key in the change slot. It's out of site of casual viewers. Once in the car, I just grab it and use it.

My 2009 had a chipped key and a keyless fob on the head of the key. Every TIME I'd bend down to do something, it would lock or unlock or trip the alarm on the car. EVERY time.

The 2012 I have has no chip and no keyless entry. I'm liking it.

Theft? Not likely. This is not a highly-desired car, not as a car and not for parts. And if by chance it IS stolen...that's why I have insurance.

And the cops don't need to know about where I keep a key.

[bronsin]

Outstanding! I couldnt have said it better myself!

This is big business giving us expensive "solutions" to problems that dont exist. Naturally, they make huge profits from these expensive gimmicks like electric windows, central locking power mirrors (Ive had to adjust my non adjustable mirrors maybe three times in five years) and auto matic transmissions.

My 2001 Toyota ECHO was $13,100 out the door. Whats a 2014 Yaris going for these days? 20 grand?

Oh and my 1980 Subaru Hatchback was $4600 tax and everything. Tell me you wouldnt drive a brand new one of those for $4600 if you could get it.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by JustPassinThru

Trust me, you do not want a chipped key.

In fact...I leave a key in one of the coin trays to work the ignition. So many times I'd locked my keys inside the car, over the years...now with theft-resistance systems, it's harder to force your way in. Harder and more expensive to have someone do it - cops don't open doors anymore and a Slim Jim won't do it.

So, I keep my key ring on a hook on my belt; and I leave an ignition key in the change slot. It's out of site of casual viewers. Once in the car, I just grab it and use it.

My 2009 had a chipped key and a keyless fob on the head of the key. Every TIME I'd bend down to do something, it would lock or unlock or trip the alarm on the car. EVERY time.

The 2012 I have has no chip and no keyless entry. I'm liking it.

Theft? Not likely. This is not a highly-desired car, not as a car and not for parts. And if by chance it IS stolen...that's why I have insurance.

And the cops don't need to know about where I keep a key.

Your 2012 definitely has a chipped key. It is standard on all 09 and newer Yaris.

[JustPassinThru]

Originally Posted by CTScott

Your 2012 definitely has a chipped key. It is standard on all 09 and newer Yaris.

Beg to differ.

I've replaced keys. It's not chipped.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by JustPassinThru

Beg to differ.

I've replaced keys. It's not chipped.

OK. I do see in the EPC that the 3rd gen shows an optional non-transponder key and ignition switch. On the 2nd gens all 09-11 US Yaris had it.

And, to top it off, looking at some pictures from a 2012 that I recently helped someone install cruise control on, I can see that his did not have the transponder key either, as the ignition switch body is all metal. If it had the transponder key only the center portion of the switch, which rotates, would be metal.

[JustPassinThru]

Hmmm.

Mine was a stripper...a loss-leader for bait-and-switch they were selling at the end of the model year. Even had manual windows and mirrors. I had an independent shop put in cruise control; and the owner told me it was a simple job since all the wiring harnesses were right there. Just install the stalk and plug it in; and install some other bits and pieces, and it was done.

But, as I say, no chipped keys.

[dj92]

Wasn't there a method to learn the key without a programmer?
Have a look at the manuals linked somewhere around here...

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by dj92

Wasn't there a method to learn the key without a programmer?
Have a look at the manuals linked somewhere around here...

I think that only the initial registration (with not keys yet programmed) can be done without the techstream. Registration of additional keys to a programmed system requires techstream.

[dj92]

Are you sure?
Have a look at page 12
Engine Immobilizer.pdf

I assume, master keys are those which can be cloned this way and sub-keys can't.
However, I think a car is delivered with at least one master key ;)

Edit: D'oh, it's no Yaris :(
Maybe it works whatsoever :D

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by dj92

Are you sure?
Have a look at page 12
Engine Immobilizer.pdf

I assume, master keys are those which can be cloned this way and sub-keys can't.
However, I think a car is delivered with at least one master key ;)

Edit: D'oh, it's no Yaris :(
Maybe it works whatsoever :D

That's the procedure I was referring to. If you look the only section for "without the intelligent tester" is the new key with no keys registered mode.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by bronsin

My 2001 Toyota ECHO was $13,100 out the door. Whats a 2014 Yaris going for these days? 20 grand?
.

???????

my 2014 was $15100 out the door. infinitely safer, quieter, and more stable. anyone paying $20K OTD for a Yaris needs to look themselves in the mirror and slap themselves...............HARD.

[tooter]

Originally Posted by JustPassinThru

Hmmm.

Mine was a stripper...a loss-leader for bait-and-switch they were selling at the end of the model year. Even had manual windows and mirrors. I had an independent shop put in cruise control; and the owner told me it was a simple job since all the wiring harnesses were right there. Just install the stalk and plug it in; and install some other bits and pieces, and it was done.

But, as I say, no chipped keys.

Same here.
Stripped 2012 base model which was exactly what I wanted. Non electric key entry, hand crank windows, manual transmission.

[JustPassinThru]

Originally Posted by roxy1

???????

my 2014 was $15100 out the door. infinitely safer, quieter, and more stable. anyone paying $20K OTD for a Yaris needs to look themselves in the mirror and slap themselves...............HARD.

At $20,000 the Yaris doesn't make sense.

I'd considered, briefly, that smaller Prius derivative. $24,000. The gee-whiz technology was seductive; but I ran the numbers, and on gasoline savings alone, using $3.75 a gallon...I'd be about 90,000 miles breaking even.

If the Yaris had been priced to my wants at $20,000 - I'd have bought the other.

My stripper 2012 was $14,500 - almost the exact same price as my loaded 2009. The 2009 had everything - EXCEPT an auto transmission. The 2012 had ONLY the auto.

I'm okay with it. "Stripper" today is quite different than "stripper" 20 years ago. I have a 1996 Tercel stripper in the driveway to remind me of that.

[IllusionX]

I believe some states require all cars to have a chip key. At least, it is by law in Canada since 2008.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by roxy1

???????

my 2014 was $15100 out the door. infinitely safer, quieter, and more stable. anyone paying $20K OTD for a Yaris needs to look themselves in the mirror and slap themselves...............HARD.

I live in NJ and the ones I have seen for sale on dealer lots (and there arent many) are around $16.5 before tax. Some are more.

I always include the tax when shopping for a car.