Having second thoughts about the Yaris

[hobojon]

I wanted to get a dependable car for my wife to have for the next few years of her commuting for college. I did the research and it seemed like the Yaris 5 door LB was a good choice. It was cheap, dependable and had good resale value and good fuel economy. I didn't realize that the base price of the car as advertised was a scam. They don't sell a Yaris without some kind of package added on. If you want cruise you have to buy the power package or put it in yourself. With TTL and the destination charge, this is not a cheap car. If I wanted to pay 15K or 16K for a car I might as well buy a Scion that comes with all the options you have to pay for on the Yaris. For that kind of money I think I'd rather have a 4 or 5 year old Lexus. Am I missing something? Even the most inexpensive Yaris, the 3 dr LB seems way overpriced. There aren't any 5 dr models in the used market, the used 3 dr cars are priced at 8K or 9K which isn't bad. Maybe I should just wait until the 5dr models start hitting the used market, I guess when the revised 2010 models come out in Sep.

[Forrest]

The yaris is all you say for a inexpensive fuel economy car. If you choose to do the extras, then the price goes up ! If you only buy it with the winter package, prices are reasonable. All depends how much you need the extras.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by hobojon

I wanted to get a dependable car for my wife to have for the next few years of her commuting for college. I did the research and it seemed like the Yaris 5 door LB was a good choice. It was cheap, dependable and had good resale value and good fuel economy. I didn't realize that the base price of the car as advertised was a scam. They don't sell a Yaris without some kind of package added on. If you want cruise you have to buy the power package or put it in yourself. With TTL and the destination charge, this is not a cheap car. If I wanted to pay 15K or 16K for a car I might as well buy a Scion that comes with all the options you have to pay for on the Yaris. For that kind of money I think I'd rather have a 4 or 5 year old Lexus. Am I missing something? Even the most inexpensive Yaris, the 3 dr LB seems way overpriced. There aren't any 5 dr models in the used market, the used 3 dr cars are priced at 8K or 9K which isn't bad. Maybe I should just wait until the 5dr models start hitting the used market, I guess when the revised 2010 models come out in Sep.

I don't think I can agree. I got my Yaris loaded for 14.898. And today, they are even offering more for their rebate so I could have shaved 150 more off that number.

You just have to know how to deal with dealers. They will lie to you so you have to play their game and make it your advantage.

[1stToyota]

Wish I could have bought a Scion XD for the same price as my Yaris. If you want to load it up like a Scion it'll cost you.

Me and a friend bought a Toyota and a Scion from the same dealership at nearly the same time. Extra options were pretty much the same...just better wheels and stereo on each vehicle over how they come standard. I paid less than 15K, she paid over 18.5K

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Wish I could have bought a Scion XD for the same price as my Yaris. If you want to load it up like a Scion it'll cost you.

agreed. in all depts except "fuel economy" xD>yaris

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by Tamago

agreed. in all depts except "fuel economy" xD>yaris

Yeah, I was just thinking about that after I posted. Recently the lady with the XD bragged when she got 32-33mpg, I told her I just got over 41mpg, and our driving habits are pretty close...mostly hwy, observe the speed limits...

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Yeah, I was just thinking about that after I posted. Recently the lady with the XD bragged when she got 32-33mpg, I told her I just got over 41mpg, and our driving habits are pretty close...mostly hwy, observe the speed limits...

are you both the same trans? auto vs manual?
41-33=8mpg

say you drove 2000miles a month... 48.78 gallons, at $2.50 a gallon, $121.95
she drives 2000miles @ 33mpg... 60.60 gallons, at $2.50/gallon $151.52

so, $30 more a month (saying you both pay the exact same for car payments (not likely) and insurance (also not likely, as the scion has more safety features) and you could be driving something that'll be worth more in 5 years than the yaris, is faster than the yaris, has more room than the yaris....

please people, i'm not bashing the yaris, just doing a little math here..

[hobojon]

You are probably right. I am sick of these dealers, they take all of the fun out of it. It's hard to negotiate with these guys when you just want a base car, mostly because they don't have one. In order to get cruise you have to spend $1800 more than the base model to get it? That's crazy. The Scion XD is looking better because they have no haggle prices. The base model has everything my wife wants and it looks like their resale values are good. Neither one of us is keen to its looks though compared to the Yaris 5 door LB. After I add up the total with TTL I still end up with a total that is just unacceptable. I want to pay cash, when I get close to pulling the trigger I keep thinking, I can buy 4 or 5 nice used cars for that price, or a Lexus a few years old.....Am I just cheap?

[firemachine69]

Originally Posted by hobojon

You are probably right. I am sick of these dealers, they take all of the fun out of it. It's hard to negotiate with these guys when you just want a base car, mostly because they don't have one. In order to get cruise you have to spend $1800 more than the base model to get it? That's crazy. The Scion XD is looking better because they have no haggle prices. The base model has everything my wife wants and it looks like their resale values are good. Neither one of us is keen to its looks though compared to the Yaris 5 door LB. After I add up the total with TTL I still end up with a total that is just unacceptable. I want to pay cash, when I get close to pulling the trigger I keep thinking, I can buy 4 or 5 nice used cars for that price, or a Lexus a few years old.....Am I just cheap?

They did it that way because the prior years, it cost over 400 to get a factory cruise installed by the stealership - At least a 30% premium over every other Toyota that had it installed by the factory.


And a four year old Lexus has no more bumper-to-bumper warranty, which can get real expensive in a hurry.

[frownonfun]

dude u should come to my local toyota dealership. that's all they have is base priced yarii. lol... the dealer i was buying from didn't even know they made a sport. one could walk out to that lot right now and not find a single yaris over 15k. turns out tiny cars aren't really in demand here in redneck country. who knew.

also i think every car's advertised sell price is a lie anyway. "starting at" price and "walk out the door with an actual car" price are always gonna be quite different. at least in my experience.

[33OH]

Mine is an '08 3 door, which varies from what you're looking at.. but I had to travel to find a base model. Mine out the door was 12,300, and it's base model w/ manual transmission (with a few extras.. cold weather package, CD player, etc.)

[hobojon]

I grew up in South Texas, I live in WA now. I haven't seen one base model for sale here. Online or on the lots. Covenience package, power package, cold weather package, etc...

[33OH]

You basically have to buy the cold weather package, they usually only import it to the northern US zones. For how much it is, it's worth it. (heavy duty starter, heater, bigger windshield washer fluid reservoir..)

[hobojon]

I think maybe I just like my money more than I like the car. (I'm cheap)

[33OH]

I'm cheap too, but I also bought an '07 Hyundai Accent hatchback for $15,000 when they first came out because it was the cheapest brand new hatchback car I could find. Next year, I see a brand new Yaris LB for $13,000 , I offer 12,000 and he says 12,300, and I'm all over it.

It doesn't quite pay for itself with gas savings (I got rid of a 2000 Ford Focus sedan for it), but the gas savings + my love for the car = worth it.

[Thirty-Nine]

It is difficult to find a stripped-down Yaris (heck, it's difficult to find a stripped-down anything these days). Have you gone into the dealer and told them you want a bare-bones model? They might be able to locate one for you.

Otherwise, try to find a used one. Autotrader has several three-door liftbacks for under $12,000 within 100 miles of Portland (where I live).

The Yaris can get spendy, no doubt. However, I'd go in and talk to the dealer. Otherwise, if you're really looking for a steal, pick up a used Hyundai Accent or Kia Rio (2007 and up). The resale sucks which is great for used car buyers, they have a great warranty, and are really inexpensive.

[hobojon]

A used Hyundai or Kia? I may as well flush my money down the toilet.
I'm trying to find a 5 dr LB. It would be much easier to buy used or work a deal on a new 3 dr. The 5 dr LB is hard to find new or used around here.

[tomato]

Originally Posted by hobojon

A used Hyundai or Kia? I may as well flush my money down the toilet.

I agree with that. Better get a used model from a reputable manufacturer than a new car from a lesser manufacturer, I think. And there is nothing wrong with getting a good used car either. I got my Yaris LB used, but in excellent condition.