I NEED Boost... Opinions puh-lease

[Focus_Sh1ft]

So after some debate I've decided to splurge on a turbo setup and drop bolt-on mods, as they just will not cut it. I'm tired of being blown away by a minivan from a full stop.

After learning a bit about the necessary components and options available I've deemed this to be in my best interest:
1. Zage kit w/o turbo and oil pan
2. Emanage Blue
3. Mistu 14b (and rebuild) or Garrett GT2554

Hopefully I'll be able to get a hold of ChinoCharles to talk about his experience with the Emanage, and even the 14b. I still need to find a shop that can tune Emanages, but that shouldn't be too hard to find, (?) and is at the top of the to do list. Oh, and I plan on starting at 6 psi and shooting for 8 psi after the kinks are worked out. I hope to begin this next month. Opinions on the setup I have in mind would be much appreciated.

Also, been wondering about a few things that I can't find clear cut answers on...
1. Will the stock fuel pump and injectors suffice at as much as 8 psi?
2. Is it crucial to have a custom exhaust setup prior to tuning, or can it wait til after? Obviously I'll need one to get the most out of any turbo setup, but is it vital to have during tuning to get an accurate tune?
3. Is anyone else running an Emanage Blue successfully? Also, I'm open to suggestions on alternatives.
4. I'm really torn on turbos... The 14b will work and is so cheap, but spools up at 3k+ rpm (btw, this is a daily driver ONLY). For like $700 more I can get the GT2554 which spools up quicker and is a brand name. I really need opinions on this. My current plan is to grab a 14b and possibly upgrade to the GT2554 later, maybe when I decide to increase boost?

[Nexus1155]

I tried to buy ZAGE without the turbo and oil pan, they would not seperate it, its a package deal. You can probably source everything else anyways.

You can get a 14b or you can get a GT25 from an SR20DET setup and save that $700+ you would spend and just get the GT25 rebuilt. It's what I am going to do once I have enough funds for a turbo yarii.

I think you may have to upgrade the injectors? Not sure, don't quote me on that...

[cali yaris]

^ everything he said

[Nexus1155]

Depends, did you contact ZAGE directly, or are you talking about the Ebay kit, I contacted them over a year ago so times might have changed

The turbos that I have heard of exploding so far, is because the owners did not "prime" the turbos before starting the car, initially spinning an unlubricated turbo. But yes, I know what you mean.

Most common is the GT25/28 flanges on most yarii manifold applications....

[Focus_Sh1ft]

I'm waiting to hear from Zage. Also, some quick research shows the flange is a T25/T28, so a 14b would be problematic, but do-able. If they don't wanna sell the kit in pieces I'll probably still consider it... The turbo seems like an appropriate choice, reliability put aside.

Originally Posted by Nexus1155

The turbos that I have heard of exploding so far, is because the owners did not "prime" the turbos before starting the car, initially spinning an unlubricated turbo. But yes, I know what you mean.

So... unlubricated parts spinning at tens of thousands of RPMs is dangerous? News to me

Maybe their turbochargers aren't as bad as people make them out to be.

Btw, thank you so much for pointing out the SR20DET. You can get the GT25 on ebay for like the same price of the 14b. It may not be ball-bearing, but eh

[cali yaris]

would you be surprised if you knew that OEM turbos came from China? such as Borg Worner?

Fuzzy logic there, as you won't find a Borg-Warner quality turbo in a $900 kit. I personally wouldn't take a chance, and you have no recourse with customer service IF it fails.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Yes, I messaged Zage directly and they will sell you pieces of the kit. They wanted about $1k shipped w/o turbo. I would go that route and buy a Garrett or HKS turbo if you want instant turbo. Otherwise wait till MI's kit comes out.

I would suggest a diff, clutch, tires (205's would probably be best), and a lot of research before you go turbo.

[Nexus1155]

Fuzzy logic there, as you won't find a Borg-Warner quality turbo in a $900 kit

No, legit, we have certificates from borg warner towards that company for provided services. We just started ordering turbos from them, they also stated they would replace the turbo if anything happened related to the turbo.

Another company we have found in US using these same turbos, rebranded as "made in US turbos" has sold over 200 turbos and only a good handful have failed from unforseen circumstances which have not been investigated, just replaced. I have more information regarding all of this, but i don't feel the need to ramble on about something nonsensicle to the topic at hand.

But in all honesty, nothing will EVER replace a nice genuine from the factory Garrett

[Focus_Sh1ft]

So Zage finally replied and quoted $1045 for their kit without the pan and turbo. I'll definitely be doing this once I get the remaining details ironed out.

Racerfreak raised a good point I forgot to ask about earlier. How well will the clutch hold up? I've read that it's going to begin slipping and eventually fail under boost, but is this true at the 6-8 psi range as well? I don't remember seeing any Blitz SC'ed people having this issue.

NEXUS - how exactly were you planning on rebuilding that GT25 from the SR20DET? I've looked and looked and only found rebuild kits with journal bearings. Not a big deal and this will still be my number one choice for the turbocharger, but is it possible to buy a rebuild kit with a ball bearing instead? I've yet to find one

Lastly, any significant benefits using the AEM FiC over the eManage blue? Knowing they both work, I'm inclined to choose the cheaper option

[Focus_Sh1ft]

I was also wondering if anyone had any additional info regarding the piping clearance issue on the Zage kit? I'm running DFs so I've been trying to figure out how much of a problem this is going to be... In their install pictures, it doesn't appear to be a problem. I'm hoping worst case is that some of the piping needs to be trimmed a bit.

[cali yaris]

I may be offering Carlos' kit soon - we are talking. It works on his car with the FIC and would require only a minor dyno tune after the install.

[Nexus1155]

Turbos are fairly simple to be rebuilt as long as you do not mess up the balancing of them..

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/gen...ebuilding.html

If you are going to do the ZAGE kit, Offer them $1100 shipped for the WHOLE kit, try out the whole kit first. I think the main issue with this kit are that people are SPECULATING the issues, not actually trying the kit out itself.... It is a kit for a reason, there has been reviews on the taiwan forums iirc.

Is this your daily driver?

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

I may be offering Carlos' kit soon - we are talking. It works on his car with the FIC and would require only a minor dyno tune after the install.

Great to hear. I'll hold off on ordering Zage for a bit. Any ideas on initial pricing?

Originally Posted by Nexus1155

If you are going to do the ZAGE kit, Offer them $1100 shipped for the WHOLE kit, try out the whole kit first. I think the main issue with this kit are that people are SPECULATING the issues, not actually trying the kit out itself.... It is a kit for a reason, there has been reviews on the taiwan forums iirc.

Is this your daily driver?

Do you think they'd do $1100 shipped for the whole kit? That's like $700 less than what they ask... I do agree on the speculation part, as I don't know anyone who frequents this forum that has installed the kit. Do you possibly have links to those reviews?

And yes, this is my daily driver.

[Nexus1155]

Worth a shot, say that many people are waiting on a review for this kit from someone and that if it works out well you will write an excellent review with pics and videos. A lot of companies do this as it will benefit them. I will try to find the reviews when i search through that forum next.

EHHHH do you have anyone elses car to drive in the meantime. ANY turbo kit regardless will take some time to install, Even when busting ass on it. Expect it to be down a week at the least. More so if you get someone who is not experienced in this, even though this is an easy engine to work on, there will always be some snag or something

[cali yaris]

agreed. if it's a KIT (meaning all the parts are made and included), 8 hours is about right.

maybe add wiring time to that, but it's not a week regardless.

[Nexus1155]

8 hours maybe if you have installed this kit before like cdydjd has before, but for other people never working on this engine it may take a bit along with the wiring. And also I doubt some shop would sit there for 8 hrs straight doing the same job. Some might, but I doubt that it will get done like that, especially with checking and making sure everything works at the end before you start and test it.

[advocate]

Originally Posted by Nexus1155

8 hours maybe if you have installed this kit before like cdydjd has before, but for other people never working on this engine it may take a bit along with the wiring. And also I doubt some shop would sit there for 8 hrs straight doing the same job. Some might, but I doubt that it will get done like that, especially with checking and making sure everything works at the end before you start and test it.

A shop with 4 technicians could bang it out in a day?

[PETERPOOP]

Me and my dad installed the blitz kit in 1 day ( not knowing what we're doing and taking our time ), and did the wiring the following day.