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Golddeenoh · 03-27-2014, 09:53 PM

Things that bother me. I'm a few weeks away from finishing my Degree in Automotive Technology, and the one thing that bugs me is when someone pretends to know a lot about cars but uses the word "motor" when they really mean Engine. A motor is electric and uses electricity passing through winding to create magnetic fields and move a stator. An Engine uses the heat energy from the controlled burning fuel to create a mechanical action or motion.

Simply put, unless it is a hybrid or full electric, it has an engine, not a motor.

nookandcrannycar · 03-27-2014, 09:57 PM

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I'm a few weeks away from finishing my Degree in Automotive Technology

Congratulations!

fnkngrv · 03-27-2014, 10:02 PM

This is very true. Folks use the terms interchangeably. I can give you one of mine. Everyone calls their mobile phones "cell" phones. There have not been cell phones for at least 10 years. A cellular phone was old TDM tech whereas once the phones went digital and pretty much moved into what has been out there since actually what GSM started to do with their evolution around 2000 is a mobile telephony network. I won't bore you with further details, but that bothers me just as much as it apparently bothers you with the engine vs motor terminology. Another for me is calling all inline skates "Rollerblades" or those unfortunates that called mp3 players from various manufacturers iPods.

Kar98 · 03-27-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fnkngrv

Everyone calls their mobile phones "cell" phones. There have not been cell phones for at least 10 years. A cellular phone was old TDM tech whereas once the phones went digital and pretty much moved into what has been out there since actually what GSM started to do with their evolution around 2000 is a mobile telephony network.

They're called cell phones because the base stations form cells of phone coverage. The actual technology, be that AMPS, TDMA, CDMA, GSM, UMTS etc has nothing to do with that.

fnkngrv · 03-28-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kar98

They're called cell phones because the base stations form cells of phone coverage. The actual technology, be that AMPS, TDMA, CDMA, GSM, UMTS etc has nothing to do with that.

Ok, so in that case I pose this: the term "cellular phone" is a misnomer because the phone is not cellular, the network is.

Kar98 · 03-28-2014, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fnkngrv

Ok, so in that case I pose this: the term "cellular phone" is a misnomer because the phone is not cellular, the network is.

It's just a term (I still think you're thinking of PCS), like dialing a number. When's the last time you actually dialed a number, on a dial? A round thing with numerical markings around the edge, like a sundial... where the word comes from.

chriswf · 03-28-2014, 10:40 PM

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It's just a term (I still think you're thinking of PCS), like dialing a number. When's the last time you actually dialed a number, on a dial? A round thing with numerical markings around the edge, like a sundial... where the word comes from.

Lol oh geez.

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nookandcrannycar · 03-29-2014, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kar98

It's just a term (I still think you're thinking of PCS), like dialing a number. When's the last time you actually dialed a number, on a dial? A round thing with numerical markings around the edge, like a sundial... where the word comes from.

LOL. So many examples. Trying to explain what an 8-track tape is to a late millenial in the U.S......or (in most cases) a gas pump with numbers that rotate on a wheel. My aunt or my mother telling me what it was like to grow up when CBS, etc. were just radio networks....or what commercial air travel was like before jets became part of that landscape.

fnkngrv · 03-29-2014, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kar98

It's just a term (I still think you're thinking of PCS), like dialing a number. When's the last time you actually dialed a number, on a dial? A round thing with numerical markings around the edge, like a sundial... where the word comes from.

Actually did in a couple months ago while I was in Arizona.

Kar98 · 03-27-2014, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Golddeenoh

A motor is electric and uses electricity passing through winding to create magnetic fields and move a stator. An Engine uses the heat energy from the controlled burning fuel to create a mechanical action or motion.

Damn straight. Now where do I get a gallon of engine oil?

CTScott · 03-27-2014, 11:17 PM

Hmmm. Is that why they are called "motor vehicles" as opposed to "engine vehicles"?

Actually, as an engineer nomenclature is key. The problem with motor vs. engine is that they truly are interchangeable in regards to vehicles.

By definition:
A motor is: a machine that produces motion or power for doing work
An engine is: a machine that changes energy into mechanical motion

If you are referring to a device that uses electric current as the power source, then the correct nomenclature is electric motor. To simply call something a motor, you are not specifying the power source of said device.

CTScott · 03-27-2014, 11:19 PM

And, here's a great read on the subject:

https://engineering.mit.edu/ask/what...tor-and-engine

Kaotic Lazagna · 03-28-2014, 12:56 AM

Kaotic Lazagna · 03-28-2014, 12:58 AM

-People who don't use turn signals when there are cars behind them.
-People who use their high beams while there are oncoming traffic.
-People who tailgate.
-People who say "Your an idiot."
-any and all inconsiderate people.

nookandcrannycar · 03-28-2014, 08:54 PM

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-People who don't use turn signals when there are cars behind them.
-People who use their high beams while there are oncoming traffic.
-People who tailgate.
-People who say "Your an idiot."
-any and all inconsiderate people.

-People who (when I am in THE SLOW LANE on the freeway or on a multi lane in each direction surface street going the speed limit or slightly under) don't like the speed I'm going and 'to teach me a lesson' try to come as close as possible to the corner of my rear bumper as they are switching lanes and passing me. About 35% of the time, the person also tries to come as close to sideswiping me as possible. This almost never happens to me in the SF Bay Area. Here, it happens probably every other day. The southern half of Florida though is far worse though, IMO, re the neanderthal proclivities of some drivers.

Kaotic Lazagna · 03-29-2014, 02:59 AM

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-People who (when I am in THE SLOW LANE on the freeway or on a multi lane in each direction surface street going the speed limit or slightly under) don't like the speed I'm going and 'to teach me a lesson' try to come as close as possible to the corner of my rear bumper as they are switching lanes and passing me. About 35% of the time, the person also tries to come as close to sideswiping me as possible. This almost never happens to me in the SF Bay Area. Here, it happens probably every other day. The southern half of Florida though is far worse though, IMO, re the neanderthal proclivities of some drivers.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...4238.html?vp=1

Since you mentioned Florida, the dumb arse in the Ford did get what he deserved, but the woman should have also let him pass...(second) but that road isn't a freeway so I guess there isn't technically a dedicated passing lane.

*edit: Also, for those dumb arses that love to tailgate when I'm in the most right lane

trolololol

nookandcrannycar · 03-29-2014, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...4238.html?vp=1

Since you mentioned Florida, the dumb arse in the Ford did get what he deserved, but the woman should have also let him pass...(second) but that road isn't a freeway so I guess there isn't technically a dedicated passing lane.

*edit: Also, for those dumb arses that love to tailgate when I'm in the most right lane

trolololol

Yeah, South Florida is 'a whole nother level of crazy'. I almost got run off the road on I-75, and another time (thanks to my horn, paying close attention, and deft driving on my part and people going in the opposite direction who heard my horn) I narrowly missed a head on collision with a Mini...whose driver was trying to pass 10 cars before a blind curve (on the old highway that goes from Winter Haven, FL to Ft. Myers, FL). Both happened while driving my Yaris. I detailed each in previous threads (in long posts

).

chriswf · 03-30-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...4238.html?vp=1

Since you mentioned Florida, the dumb arse in the Ford did get what he deserved, but the woman should have also let him pass...(second) but that road isn't a freeway so I guess there isn't technically a dedicated passing lane.

*edit: Also, for those dumb arses that love to tailgate when I'm in the most right lane

trolololol

No matter what. No matter which lane I'm in. Number of lanes. Or type of road (highway or street).
IF someone is trying to get by, I get out of their way. Always. Even if I have to change lanes into a tight spot.
EVEN IF the person in front of me is going slow. If someone is in a rush (more than me, and I move fast), I respect them and move out of their way.

But if I'm trying to get somewhere and I'm not shown courtesy at least in the left lane. Or if they speed up when I try to pass them... I've been know to dump a soda out the window slowly when I get in front of them. Rainex doesn't even combat that. They can enjoy their sticky windshield.

Aside from that, when it comes to getting by me, I could be the most courteous driver ever. I'll see you coming from far away. I check my mirrors constantly. 320 miles a day in my Yaris. 0 accidents. Been doing this for years. I know for a fact that I TOO can avoid accidents myself by simply being courteous to those in a hurry. And I'm sure me moving over asap calms their nerves some too.

That trucker in Florida would have given me a thumbs up. Not the middle finger up.

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03-27-2014, 09:53 PM	#1
Golddeenoh Takes corners too fast! View User's Garage Drives: Absolute Red 2009 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 830	Peeves Things that bother me. I'm a few weeks away from finishing my Degree in Automotive Technology, and the one thing that bugs me is when someone pretends to know a lot about cars but uses the word "motor" when they really mean Engine. A motor is electric and uses electricity passing through winding to create magnetic fields and move a stator. An Engine uses the heat energy from the controlled burning fuel to create a mechanical action or motion. Simply put, unless it is a hybrid or full electric, it has an engine, not a motor. __________________ mods:15''Drag DR21 w/Nitto NeoGen 205/50R15, Tanabe DF210 lowering springs 1.6/1.8, TRD Rear Sway Bar, Tanabe Front Sway Bar, Micro Image Short Throw Shift Kit (both in and under), 8.64lbs flywheel, F1 Stage 4 Clutch, AEM Cold Air Intake (Red), Megan Racing Header, DC Sports Axle Back Exhaust, Micro Image Crank Pulley, NST lite Alternator Pulley, ARP Manifold Stud Kit,Tanabe Front Strut Tower Brace, ScanGuage II, Micro Image Silicone Radiator Hose Kit (Red), NRG Carbon Fiber Shift Knob (round), 2009-2011 Toyota Yaris Liftback Foglight kit, NRG Grounding Kit (Red), Hella Horns(Red),CF Hood

03-27-2014, 10:02 PM	#3
fnkngrv Mr. 155 and climbing View User's Garage Drives: Seriously Modded 07 Sedan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Hotbox Posts: 4,742	This is very true. Folks use the terms interchangeably. I can give you one of mine. Everyone calls their mobile phones "cell" phones. There have not been cell phones for at least 10 years. A cellular phone was old TDM tech whereas once the phones went digital and pretty much moved into what has been out there since actually what GSM started to do with their evolution around 2000 is a mobile telephony network. I won't bore you with further details, but that bothers me just as much as it apparently bothers you with the engine vs motor terminology. Another for me is calling all inline skates "Rollerblades" or those unfortunates that called mp3 players from various manufacturers iPods. __________________ Team Tiamat Racing on Facebook Youtube Channel: Team Tiamat Racing *Class record holder in Land Speed @ 154.5mph for 1.5 mile and 145.5mph in the mile in the F (2.016 to 3.014 L), G (1.524 to 2.015 L), and H (1.016 to 1.523 L) classes.*

03-27-2014, 11:17 PM	#11
CTScott ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 09 5dr LB, 2x 08 3dr LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA, CT Posts: 13,460	Hmmm. Is that why they are called "motor vehicles" as opposed to "engine vehicles"? Actually, as an engineer nomenclature is key. The problem with motor vs. engine is that they truly are interchangeable in regards to vehicles. By definition: A motor is: a machine that produces motion or power for doing work An engine is: a machine that changes energy into mechanical motion If you are referring to a device that uses electric current as the power source, then the correct nomenclature is electric motor. To simply call something a motor, you are not specifying the power source of said device. __________________

03-27-2014, 11:19 PM	#12
CTScott ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 09 5dr LB, 2x 08 3dr LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA, CT Posts: 13,460	And, here's a great read on the subject: https://engineering.mit.edu/ask/what...tor-and-engine __________________

03-28-2014, 12:56 AM	#13
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873

03-28-2014, 12:58 AM	#14
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	-People who don't use turn signals when there are cars behind them. -People who use their high beams while there are oncoming traffic. -People who tailgate. -People who say "Your an idiot." -any and all inconsiderate people.