Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[Alien Mantis]

I spent about 4 hours on the rear hatch lid and the spare-tire-well today.

My back is not going to be happy tomorrow morning.


I used almost all of my material. Only had a couple of small pieces left over.
Everything sounds nice and solid when I thump on it.
I walked around the whole car, thumping on it. Big difference from the way it used to be.
Much quieter when I open and close the doors. The doors just make a tiny "thud" sound now.
Haven't done the test-drive yet. I will probably take it for a spin later tonight.
Should be okay, we'll see.

[Alien Mantis]

SQ: I seen your 15" in the trunk. I was going back over this whole thread earlier today. And your WALL of DD amps. That 15 was a Hertz.
Killer looking sub. I'll bet it pounded hard.
Any recent pics of your latest setup?
I also seen all the work D was doing to try and get his sub in the front of the car. Nice little enclosure he built for it.
I don't like subs up front, it costs you leg room. I'll just deal with the bass coming from the rear. Doesn't bother me at all.

Initial report from my test-drive:
Definitely quieter. It mellowed out the noise. Still a little road noise on the rougher roads, but nothing like it used to be, and almost silent on smooth roads. Love it.
Now here comes the strange part. This surprised me.
The system sounds crisper and punchier!
The whole system sounds "tighter". Not sure how to explain it.
The highs are extra crisp. The bass is tight and punchy. Very clean.
I'm sure all the "noise" was clouding the music, and now more of the music is coming through. I just didn't expect it to be that noticeable.
1st impression: I like it. It's a definite improvement. I'm glad it's DONE.

We'll see if my viewpoint changes as time goes on, but right now I am pleased with it.

I felt guilty about hijacking your thread, but then I realized this thread was about "sound deadening" and "upgrading". So.... I stayed on-topic.

[sqcomp]

I'm dealing with a fuse and ground issue at this time. I should have the car up and operating again on Wednesday.

[Alien Mantis]

That is so simple and clean looking. I like it.

What is that smaller control panel under your HU?

If it's not giving away any secrets, can you tell me your entire system setup?

What is your chain from source to drivers?
I'm just curious what you are running now. Your whole system.

( If you want to keep it a secret I understand. You compete with it. )

[sqcomp]

AM, I'm not ignoring you. I'm dealing with a serious issue that came up with the system on Sunday. This may or may not keep me from competing at world SQ championships in a few days. It all comes down to Wednesday night...

I'll fill you in on the system, it's future, after this weekend...oh, and there are NO secrets.

This is as close to a diagram as I have now:

[Alien Mantis]

It's okay. I know you are not ignoring me. You have been busy.
Thanks for the diagram. That is exactly what I was looking for. Great info.
Really sweet setup. I like the Audison Bitone. Total control.

Now... you know what obvious question I am going to have for you, right?

Here it comes:

WHY do you have those ridiculously OVERPOWERED surfboard S2b amps powering those L6se's and ID8's ?!?!?


Those L6se's are rated at what, 75w RMS at 4ohms ???

You must have the gain barely cracked on those amps!
Those amps could push those driver cones right out of the baskets!

If I had to guess, I would say you are running that setup because when you barely crack an overpowered amp the signal stays PURE.
You may only be using a small fraction of the amps power, but this maintains the integrity of the signal.

Am I on the right track? ( It still seems WAY overpowered to me. )

[Alien Mantis]

Let me know when you get your problem figured out. I hope it doesn't keep you from competing.

Good luck. I know you'll fix it.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by Alien Mantis

I felt guilty about hijacking your thread, but then I realized this thread was about "sound deadening" and "upgrading". So.... I stayed on-topic.

Initial report from my test-drive:
Definitely quieter. It mellowed out the noise. Still a little road noise on the rougher roads, but nothing like it used to be, and almost silent on smooth roads. Love it.
Now here comes the strange part. This surprised me.
The system sounds crisper and punchier!
The whole system sounds "tighter". Not sure how to explain it.
The highs are extra crisp. The bass is tight and punchy. Very clean.
I'm sure all the "noise" was clouding the music, and now more of the music is coming through. I just didn't expect it to be that noticeable.
1st impression: I like it. It's a definite improvement. I'm glad it's DONE.

We'll see if my viewpoint changes as time goes on, but right now I am pleased with it.

It's ok with me AM no problem! I enjoy the activity and sharing with every body.

"Sound deadening" and "Block road noise"...

Now just imagine when the proper system to block road noise comes in place.

by adding some "roadkill" to metal you start controlling reverberation, and I see you can tell the difference, also helps for a better environment to listen music.

To block road noise with roadkill you'll need at least 3 or 4 layers to accomplish what a system of combining MLV+CCfoam+roadkill would do.

keep up the good work!

D.

[sqcomp]

AM - Those big amps have the ability to launch any speakers I have in this system through the earth's core...

I got them for the "WOW" factor really. Control, headroom what have you. If I were to change, I'd have to sell this big boys off, I'd probably go with JL Audio's HD line of amplifiers. Prolly four 600/4 amps or seven 750/1 amps (as a last resort from JL, I might go with seven XD600/1). Arc Audio has offered to put me on their team and even though I appreciate their SE amplifiers...I'd prolly pick JL over Arc. Just a choice made by observation over these last few years of the manufacturers and their representatives.

...Tomorrow night I'll have experience over my shoulder to tell me whether I'm screwed or not. I've narrowed the issue down as specifically as I can...somewhere on the harness...this is the only thing I see holding me back from having a Yaris represent at world finals.

[Alien Mantis]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

To block road noise with roadkill you'll need at least 3 or 4 layers to accomplish what a system of combining MLV+CCfoam+roadkill would do.

D.

I agree.

I could have done more, but I really didn't want to go through all that trouble.
I just needed to give it a little help.
I am very glad I did what I did. It's good enough for me.
I had no expectations of ever making it silent. Would take too much work.

You and SQcomp went overkill on your project, but I know what you are trying to accomplish.
I didn't touch my system for two years. And now I did some Roadkill and a new subwoofer setup.
You guys never stopped working on your systems!

[derickveliz2]

.
I heard form sqcomp that the Bit-One it's giving him a hard time.

I hope he got it all figured out!

D.

[derickveliz2]

Last week I had the opportunity to get a Demo from a guy that was leaving to PA for the competitions down there (OHHH I was mad that I couldn't go)...

He's equipment was a 2 way active system, with MidBass in doors, Tweeters in a-pillars and a woofer in the trunk. (I'm not going in what type of speakers he has just so we don't fall in what speakers are better than others)

also he had a huge Zapco amp and a JL amp. he also had Time Alignment and digital EQ

After an hour or so of playing many tracks (his and mine) he asked me to hear my Yaris...

Long story short:

1st 10 seconds... "OMG"

after 3 or 4 tracks (previouslly played in his car)... he kept turning his head to the rear and asked me... "Are you sure you don't have speakers in the rear?" ( I don't )

after 30 minutes or so... "I'm impressed your Mids are down in the kick area and stage is up there, very impressive!"

I'm still to find out how he did at the competitions in PA

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

Last week I had the opportunity to get a Demo from a guy that was leaving to PA for the competitions down there (OHHH I was mad that I couldn't go)...


I'm still to find out how he did at the competitions in PA

D.

I feel good now!

"Hey Derick.

I got second out of 4 other people in Iasca pro am division."


D.

[sqcomp]

^I'm loving that post D! Now...you should be in the Amateur class in IASCA. Remember that when you hit your first show.

He's in Pro am and he's wondering about why you don't have rear fill?!? MWAHAHA!!! Look...Pro/Am is where the big boys start off.



He's in my class. Send him to me...

As for the bit one...it was nothing to do with the bit one or the deck. I was overloading the circuit with demand. I fixed that by running the amps off another circuit.

BUT

I'm still having issues. I'm unsure if it's a bad voice coil in my right mid or it's the amplifier. With that, I'm going to do a Conan the Barbarian on this problem. I'm replacing the mids AND the amplifier less than 24 hours before the show...in Redding.



I'm gonna beat this problem! I'm going to have my boys around to help too...

[Alien Mantis]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

AM - Those big amps have the ability to launch any speakers I have in this system through the earth's core...

I got them for the "WOW" factor really. If I were to change, I'd have to sell this big boys off, I'd probably go with JL Audio's HD line of amplifiers.

Yeah, that makes sense.

JL HD line is what all the rich kids use.

[Alien Mantis]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

He's in my class. Send him to me...

He's NOT in your class. Your car would smoke him.

[sqcomp]

AM...

JL HD...Expensive? Not hardly. Although I know some things that make JL a little more affordable.



^This is expensive. Think $42,000 in those three amplifiers...

[Alien Mantis]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

AM...

JL HD...Expensive? Not hardly.

When compared to other high-quality units out there, true.
I have never used a JL amp, but everything I heard about them is all positive.
Spec-wise, they look great on paper.
If I were going to build a SQ system, I would certainly look into running them.

Originally Posted by sqcomp

^This is expensive. Think $42,000 in those three amplifiers...

Hehehehe!

Those are the DiLithium Matrix controllers from the USS Enterprise, right?
Commander LaForge let you photograph them?



Seriously, those are Audison Thesis with custom LED lighting?

$42k? Really?