2008 Nissan Skyline GT-R next to me at the light in St. Pete, FL today

[bdc87]

Thats what you get for buying an overpriced sports car. For an American car I'd recommend a variant of the Mustang like a Shelby or Saleen the New GT500 is badass. Also lotus has setup here and have the elise,1984lbs 0-60 in 4.9 0-100 in 12.9 and 24mpg.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by bdc87

Thats what you get for buying an overpriced sports car. For an American car I'd recommend a variant of the Mustang like a Shelby or Saleen the New GT500 is badass. Also lotus has setup here and have the elise,1984lbs 0-60 in 4.9 0-100 in 12.9 and 24mpg.

Don't give me that Mustang crap.

I paid $50K for this brand new, Z51 equipped Corvette and that includes several options (Z51, competition gray wheels, transparent top, 2LT interior and two tone seats). The car runs 12.4/117 MPH quarter miles, runs 0 - 100 MPH in 9 seconds flat and tops out at 190 MPH. Its brakes will put you through the windshield at triple digit speeds if you're not buckled up and it corners like it's on rails. It also gets 26 MPG highway EPA.

NONE of those Mustangs can touch that combination nor do any of those Mustangs feature an all aluminum, 4 wheel independent suspension. The Mustangs all feature a solid rear axle, front struts, steel/iron suspension arms and, as such, are the rough equivalent of a 1982 Camaro in terms of suspension. The GT500 engine is a heavy (cast iron block), gas swilling pig and the car itself weighs TWO TONS. The Z51 Corvette will run circles around it on a road racing course without even breaking a sweat.

I have owned two new Mustangs, one new Z28 Camaro ('99 LS1 1LE) and this 2009 Z51 Corvette. There is nothing you can "recommend" to me about any of those cars.

Sadly, ALL of them use junk, sub-standard components and therefore aren't well made, reliable cars.

I don't need to hear the "that's what you get" stuff from you or anyone else. I knew I was taking a gamble when I bought the car. I lost the bet; that's all.

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by PK198105

really Vettes are badly made? never driven one , but always wanted to see if they are really handling .

Handling, braking and acceleration are simply PHENOMENAL.

The car is actually well made and nicely put together underneath and in the engine compartment.
Paint and fit/finish is much better than it used to be.

The problem is with the interior and the power accessories/electrical components.

The seats are absolute junk; the Yaris seats are more comfortable and supportive and far more durable.

Both stereos (base and optional bLose) in the Corvette sound like junk for a car in this price level.
The stereos in my '04 and '06 Accord EXs sounded MUCH better and the seats in the '06 Accord coupe
were VASTLY superior to the Corvette's).

Here's my first FIVE WEEK'S worth of experiences with my '09 Corvette:

- My driver's side seat belt mechanism is RATTLING over various
bumps - sometimes LOUDLY. I'm going to have to take more time
out of work and rent a car on my own dime while it get's "fixed"
(and, more than likely, doesn't get fixed while something else gets
hosed up).

- Front license plate bracket (stick-on, almost laughable it's so
pathetic) began to sag and cut into my paint after just 81 miles. I
spent nearly two hours working the area with "Quixx" (fantastic
product!) and $100 on an aftermarket plate bracket (Top Flight) that
works like the factory bracket SHOULD.

- I had the passenger side power window regulator/motor replaced
just two weeks ago due to excessive noise and intermittent
operation; the dealer chipped my rocker panel while it was there
and then denied it.

- That same dealership gave me heat about having warranty work
(window motor) done there because I bought the car from another
dealership that beat their deal by $5,000. I got grilled by FOUR
different people in the "service" department, including questions on
what I paid for the car and threats about how I wouldn't be treated
as one of their customers because I didn't buy the car there. Then
they told me that the dealer I bought it from "isn't a reputable
dealer." So now I don't feel comfortable taking the car ANYWHERE
for warranty work, since four other Chevy dealers who were once in
this area are now out of business. (The bad dealer experience occurred
at Barry's in Middletown, RI - AVOID IT! They're arrogant
rip-off artists.)

- I complained to GM about the dealership experience; GM called the dealership
and GAVE THEM MY NAME! I've since been told by the dealership that
I am "no longer welcome" there because I "complained to GM" about them.

- There's a molding defect (golf ball size dimple) in the driver's side
door outer panel near the window base. That portion of the door
would have to be stripped, filled, sanded and the entire door panel
repainted in order for it to be "fixed," since paintless dent removal
won't work on plastics. Repainting a panel can create other issues
(e.g. paint not matching, overspray...), so I have to live with this -
with no compensation whatsoever from GM.

- The passenger side "A" pillar molding is blistering and various
other interior panels have more minor defects in what is clearly
inferior plastic. Just RUBBING this plastic mars the finish.

- "No Fob Detected" occasionally when I try to shut the car off with
the fob/keys in my pocket. The fob (with my keys attached) have to
be out of my pocket - and stored "somewhere" in a car with very
limited space. Why not just use a standard style ignition so I can
store the keys where they belong (i.e. in the ignition switch, which
would also prove more reliable over the long term)?

- I spent $850 to have the driver's seat reconstructed. (The seat
now feels AWESOME, though no better than it could feel from the
factory if GM spent another $25 or so per seat).

[PaidTimeOff]

Originally Posted by bdc87

Thats what you get for buying an overpriced sports car. For an American car I'd recommend a variant of the Mustang like a Shelby or Saleen the New GT500 is badass. Also lotus has setup here and have the elise,1984lbs 0-60 in 4.9 0-100 in 12.9 and 24mpg.

Plus, the Lotus is powered by Toyota, so at least reliability on the motor might be decent I think we had a member here that owned an Elise...

[CASTREX]

Originally Posted by bdc87

Thats what you get for buying an overpriced sports car. For an American car I'd recommend a variant of the Mustang like a Shelby or Saleen the New GT500 is badass. Also lotus has setup here and have the elise,1984lbs 0-60 in 4.9 0-100 in 12.9 and 24mpg.

The GTR is overpriced??? Have you seen how much it cost any of it's direct competition?

For what you get the GTR is concidered a bargain by many.

I wonder how much is an oil change for a Porsche GT3 or a Lambo?

You gotta pay to play... these cars are no daily drivers, no beaters...

Mustang > GTR don't think so...

[CASTREX]

Originally Posted by PK198105

Porsche is 200$

Really????

I'm not talking about a Boxter or Cayman...

Talking about their high end models...

Something like GT3 RS $200 I doubt it. but I could be wrong.

[2006fronty]

At first I was in awe of the R35 GTR's, but now with people having issues with the transmissions I'm beginning to become skeptical. In order to do the 1/4 mile and 0-60 in the times that Nissan advertised ( 0-60 3.4 sec, and 11.4 1/4 mile I'm pretty sure) you have to turn VDC (traction control) to use the Launch control feature, BUT by turning off the VDC you void the warranty. Some guy apparently used launch control a few times, and now his tranny blew up (the black box recorded VDC being off) . Nissan wants 20K for a new tranny haha. I understand not abusing the launch control feature, but come on. Nissan shouldn't have let EVERY publication brag about the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times if you can't achieve those times without voiding the warranty. Classic Nissan service, on a car that costs $70,000-80,000 is unacceptable. Here's the link, http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361 and a funny photoshop I found in that thread

[09TRD]

Originally Posted by PK198105

one of my regular stops is a Porsche dealership. the Carrera GT is about 350$

Porsche stopped building the Carrera GT three model years ago and virtually every one was sold before they arrived at the dealerships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Carrera_GT

At which Porsche dealership are you seeing these cars?