Pre-Hack Repost: DIY Eaton Supercharger, Why Not? - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

Tamago · 11-16-2008, 03:24 AM

unless one has a serious hookup, you will not be seeing prices like the ones above.. change $150 for piping/flange/mounting brackets to about $500 for a more accurate number. and don't forget engine management.

trust me, DIY turbo will cost you less

Nexus1155 · 11-16-2008, 10:10 AM

wow, so technically as the cost of living goes up, pay gets cut and layoffs, and we get screwed even more... very nice

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unless one has a serious hookup, you will not be seeing prices like the ones above.. change $150 for piping/flange/mounting brackets to about $500 for a more accurate number. and don't forget engine management.

Regardless I cannot use engine management as of now anyways so i'm going to wing it without it until i find a better method than is out there now.....and pricing just depends where you shop until you find a good price...

I think the mounting brackets would have been cheaper than most things, its just a piece of metal that you could possibly make yourself with rough measurements..

If i were to do turbo(Already have two spare K03's), id just rather buy richards kit anyways for it being the easier thing to do, the supercharger kit requires no welding, and the ARC welder i have sucks and spatter will go everywhere... Plus a supercharged yaris just seems right for some reason...

dacourier · 11-16-2008, 11:31 AM

Plus a supercharged yaris just seems right for some reason...[/QUOTE]

Hell yeah

Tamago · 11-16-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexus1155

wow, so technically as the cost of living goes up, pay gets cut and layoffs, and we get screwed even more... very nice

Regardless I cannot use engine management as of now anyways so i'm going to wing it without it until i find a better method than is out there now.....and pricing just depends where you shop until you find a good price...

I think the mounting brackets would have been cheaper than most things, its just a piece of metal that you could possibly make yourself with rough measurements..

If i were to do turbo(Already have two spare K03's), id just rather buy richards kit anyways for it being the easier thing to do, the supercharger kit requires no welding, and the ARC welder i have sucks and spatter will go everywhere... Plus a supercharged yaris just seems right for some reason...

rough measurements are for horseshoes and hand grenades..

getting your pulley to line up perfectly will be an issue, and making a bracket strong enough will be difficult without aluminum..

eTiMaGo · 11-16-2008, 10:50 AM

there is indeed something indescribable about the urgency of that whine

Nexus1155 · 11-16-2008, 12:46 PM

bahhhh that jackass that was selling the supercharger for cheap took it offline, what an asshat...kind of pissed right now, trying to see if i can find another deal...

LtNoogie · 11-18-2008, 03:30 PM

I'm halfway through a Biltz installation right now and the engine compartment is getting very crowded. As Richard said, whatever you throw together had better make sure all your pulleys are lined up and parallel.

From the picture in the original post, you might need to cut a hole in your hood cause that sucker is big!

Like largeorangefont said, you need to build a new intake manifold or get Richard to make you one.

I don't know what are the major cost drivers in a complete supercharger kit but the compressor is only a part of it.

id3379 · 11-18-2008, 04:13 PM

DO IT DO IT !

Nexus1155 · 11-18-2008, 08:13 PM

Thanks for the advice Richard, and its good to hear the MAF would be able to handle it...

I will not be making a new intake manifold just utilizing the stock one with a connecting pipe, the air does not need to be direct as it still holds the same pressure charge.... with an intercooler, it will cut down on bends in the pipe work...

but you are right, the mounting will take alot of work if not the most... I have my cardboard and scissor ready ;)

But i still have a couple of recirc valves from an S4 and a small intercooler to boot

This is pretty much what it will look like, might be ghetto, but a supercharger setup that is cheap, would you argue?

richardholdener · 11-18-2008, 09:17 PM

I love this home made stuff-you should see my compound turbo system on my 1987 Sprint-full Mad Max style.

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Originally Posted by Nexus1155

Thanks for the advice Richard, and its good to hear the MAF would be able to handle it...

I will not be making a new intake manifold just utilizing the stock one with a connecting pipe, the air does not need to be direct as it still holds the same pressure charge.... with an intercooler, it will cut down on bends in the pipe work...

but you are right, the mounting will take alot of work if not the most... I have my cardboard and scissor ready ;)

But i still have a couple of recirc valves from an S4 and a small intercooler to boot

This is pretty much what it will look like, might be ghetto, but a supercharger setup that is cheap, would you argue?

mikenacarato · 11-18-2008, 09:26 PM

whats the part number off of that supercharger. im going to see what my cost is on it.

Nexus1155 · 11-18-2008, 09:49 PM

It is an Eaton M45, P/n 117159-10,7526657-01 ....surprised i found that... Got any pics of the Turbo Sprint Richard?

No pics means it didn't happen ;) I would love to see it though

Tamago · 11-18-2008, 10:12 PM

a turbocharger can be had for $50
a cast manifold for $180

but hey, good luck ;)

Nexus1155 · 11-18-2008, 11:30 PM

turboing just has more knitpicky parts :-/ thats the only reason im not doing it...

but supercharger, ohh man...

Woooooooo....Woooooooooo...WOOOOOOOOOO

Tamago · 11-19-2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexus1155

turboing just has more knitpicky parts :-/ thats the only reason im not doing it...

but supercharger, ohh man...

Woooooooo....Woooooooooo...WOOOOOOOOOO

be specific.. what nitpicky parts?

ztrack157 · 11-19-2008, 02:44 AM

If you do this your my hero.

Nexus1155 · 11-19-2008, 10:01 AM

oil lines/coolant lines/AN Fittings/Having to tape the block/pan/Wastegates/Boost Controllers/Intercooler/ More Custom Pipe work/etc....

Supercharging is based off the intake side, which means i do not need to do pipework, just making flanges with pipes.

There is a perfectly substitutable flex pipe in the marine world that holds up to70psi of boost and has good flow. Albeit it being Orange(maybe wrap it with electrical tape or some crap, variety of colors now), it is still somewhat pricey, but i think it will save tons on costs versus piping. If it could withstand the hotside of a turbo, i would've did that, but almost all silicone/rubber melts at those degrees...

And it is not like i am trying to build a monster here, the supercharger with a reduced pulley can make some good power... If i were trying to make a drag monster/track warrior... I would not keep this engine at all unless i had about 10k to throw into internals...

Tamago · 11-19-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Nexus1155

oil lines/coolant lines/AN Fittings/Having to tape the block/pan/Wastegates/Boost Controllers/Intercooler/ More Custom Pipe work/etc....

Supercharging is based off the intake side, which means i do not need to do pipework, just making flanges with pipes.

There is a perfectly substitutable flex pipe in the marine world that holds up to70psi of boost and has good flow. Albeit it being Orange(maybe wrap it with electrical tape or some crap, variety of colors now), it is still somewhat pricey, but i think it will save tons on costs versus piping. If it could withstand the hotside of a turbo, i would've did that, but almost all silicone/rubber melts at those degrees...

And it is not like i am trying to build a monster here, the supercharger with a reduced pulley can make some good power... If i were trying to make a drag monster/track warrior... I would not keep this engine at all unless i had about 10k to throw into internals...

oil lines:
you tee into the oil pressure sensor already tapped at the block.
no one says you have to use AN fittings ;)
you don't have to tap the oil pan, use a sandwich adaptor. run the oil coming out of the turbo into your oil cooler and back into the engine

turbo:
you won't need a wastegate as most small turbos are internally gated
which also means you don't need a boost controller
you don't need an intercooler on low boost applications
and believe me, piping is much easier to fab than a bracket with "rough measurements" to hold a supercharger spinning 4X engine speed.
you can use that silicon exhaust hose for the charge air coming out of a turbo too ;)

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Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	Thanks for the advice Richard, and its good to hear the MAF would be able to handle it... I will not be making a new intake manifold just utilizing the stock one with a connecting pipe, the air does not need to be direct as it still holds the same pressure charge.... with an intercooler, it will cut down on bends in the pipe work... but you are right, the mounting will take alot of work if not the most... I have my cardboard and scissor ready ;) But i still have a couple of recirc valves from an S4 and a small intercooler to boot This is pretty much what it will look like, might be ghetto, but a supercharger setup that is cheap, would you argue? Last edited by Nexus1155; 11-18-2008 at 09:06 PM.

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11-16-2008, 03:24 AM	#1
Tamago Start another Oil Thread! View User's Garage Drives: ZZW30 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 4,890	unless one has a serious hookup, you will not be seeing prices like the ones above.. change $150 for piping/flange/mounting brackets to about $500 for a more accurate number. and don't forget engine management. trust me, DIY turbo will cost you less

11-16-2008, 12:46 PM	#6
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	bahhhh that jackass that was selling the supercharger for cheap took it offline, what an asshat...kind of pissed right now, trying to see if i can find another deal...

11-18-2008, 04:13 PM	#8
id3379 §†ęĄ¶‡Ћ-NCP96 Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 727	DO IT DO IT !

11-18-2008, 09:26 PM	#11
mikenacarato SIPNDEW View User's Garage Drives: 15 STI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,281	whats the part number off of that supercharger. im going to see what my cost is on it.

11-18-2008, 09:49 PM	#12
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	It is an Eaton M45, P/n 117159-10,7526657-01 ....surprised i found that... Got any pics of the Turbo Sprint Richard? No pics means it didn't happen ;) I would love to see it though

11-18-2008, 10:12 PM	#13
Tamago Start another Oil Thread! View User's Garage Drives: ZZW30 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 4,890	a turbocharger can be had for $50 a cast manifold for $180 but hey, good luck ;)

11-18-2008, 11:30 PM	#14
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	turboing just has more knitpicky parts :-/ thats the only reason im not doing it... but supercharger, ohh man... Woooooooo....Woooooooooo...WOOOOOOOOOO

11-19-2008, 02:44 AM	#16
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11-19-2008, 10:01 AM	#17
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	oil lines/coolant lines/AN Fittings/Having to tape the block/pan/Wastegates/Boost Controllers/Intercooler/ More Custom Pipe work/etc.... Supercharging is based off the intake side, which means i do not need to do pipework, just making flanges with pipes. There is a perfectly substitutable flex pipe in the marine world that holds up to70psi of boost and has good flow. Albeit it being Orange(maybe wrap it with electrical tape or some crap, variety of colors now), it is still somewhat pricey, but i think it will save tons on costs versus piping. If it could withstand the hotside of a turbo, i would've did that, but almost all silicone/rubber melts at those degrees... And it is not like i am trying to build a monster here, the supercharger with a reduced pulley can make some good power... If i were trying to make a drag monster/track warrior... I would not keep this engine at all unless i had about 10k to throw into internals...