Thinking about a new sound System

[Spades]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

If you can't get those MTX component tweets to scream...you're doing something wrong.

As for the subs... *meh* ...the enclosure and install is 90% of the fight. If you can't get them to sound right, you're not a smart person.

Give me whatever brand woofer, I could care less. It WILL sound good after I'm done installing it.

well, i am gratefull for you calling me stupid, but your ears are just a perception...just as mine are. I haven't heard a higher-end MTX subwoofer that didn't have ample hit even in a small or poorly designed enclosure. however, I stand by my statement that MTX components are inferior to some of the other manufacturers in the same price range. If I wanted my tweeters to "scream" at me, I would buy cheap-o Pyramid components and put 500 watts to them. personally, I prefer crisp highs and clarity...but thats just me i guess.

p.s. I never said I couldnt get my subs to sound right...did I? I said they lacked the definition and sound quality of a higher end more expensive sub. my box was built around the data sheet for the MTX thunder 8000 titanium spun subwoofers...look in my garage profile.
End of the day dude, if you know how to build a box, you can make cheap sound good, but if you are running sh-t, there is only so much you can do to improve the sound quality. go make a box for a roadmaster subwoofer, then a box for a JL audio subwoofer...listen to the sound. if you can't tell any differance...at that point it becomes obvious who the smart person is.

EDIT: hey, if you make a custom box for the trunk, there is a plastic panel seperating the trunk from the foam seat backings. if you remove that, you get several inches of space. my box is huge, but because i lopped out the panel and made the box tall, i have the massive amount of sealed air space my drivers needed, but i kept over half my trunk. also, I woundn't use 6x9's in the back. I am going to be building a plate to house some 4" speakers, and a port from the trunk to allow more bass into the cab of the car.

[sqcomp]

Again...



I could care less. If you can't make that sub sound better...it's all you. If you have to live on the factory enclosure specs, then by all means, use a different woofer. But to sit there and say you must have a more expensive woofer to have quality sound. Sure, that is your limitation, not mine.

Stupid? No. Limited in the scope of your imagination, yes. You WOULD be stupid if you didn't take some time to look into what I'm referring to. If the woofers lack definition and detail and one cannot figure out how to improve the sound, keeping the enclosure the same, then yes...go buy an expensive woofer.

As for tweeters "screaming"...perhaps that was the wrong word. Would sing be a better word? Even if I want to say scream...I'll say scream with no distortion and absolute clarity. He he...I've got something for you. Again, it's NOT about the speaker itself. There's more than the speaker in the overall idea of sound quality. But please, continue to think the cure for crappy sound is simply about the speakers themselves.

You'll blow a truckload of money and I'll have just as good sound (if not better) and save myself the burden of spending that money. We do need to compare apples to apples for the most part though. There are MANY cheaper woofers than a JL W7 (for example) that will sound at LEAST as good. We do have to remember that louder is not necessarily better. That said, we can go side to side, you take your $600 W7, I'll take a woofer that is at LEAST half the price and have it sound just as good if not superior.

I'm sitting here smirking...It seems that there are several things that I know that you don't...unfortunately. Please, spend the time to know why.

The reason for my smugness is in my signature (plus a few more proverbial aces up the sleeve).

Honestly.

Here's my edit: Spades, we should get together and jam with an idea session about SQ. We're both in Oregon here. This is a friendly idea.

[Alien Mantis]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

You'll blow a truckload of money and I'll have just as good sound (if not better) and save myself the burden of spending that money. There are MANY cheaper woofers than a JL W7 (for example) that will sound at LEAST as good. We do have to remember that louder is not necessarily better. That said, we can go side to side, you take your $600 W7, I'll take a woofer that is at LEAST half the price and have it sound just as good if not superior.

EXCELLENT POINT.

The JL w7 woofer is really nice, but it is VERY expensive.
You can find MUCH cheaper subs that sound just as good.
I would never waste money on a JL sub, when there are so many other choices available.

I used to like the Alpine Type-R subs, but they aren't even a good deal anymore.

I heard a pair of Planet Audio 10's awhile back, and they sounded better than many other brands I heard, including JL's.

The "installation" makes a huge difference, so it is always possible the Planet Audio's were in their optimum environment, and the other subs were not.
But still.... it's all about the "bang for the buck".

[Alien Mantis]

Originally Posted by Spades

I woundn't use 6x9's in the back. I am going to be building a plate to house some 4" speakers, and a port from the trunk to allow more bass into the cab of the car.

SMART MOVE.

A port/ports in the rear deck makes a big difference with the bass.

[Arkhangel]

Originally Posted by Spades

I woundn't use 6x9's in the back. I am going to be building a plate to house some 4" speakers, and a port from the trunk to allow more bass into the cab of the car.

but would that place the speakers above the stock position of the 6x9?
i thought of making a port to the cab to let more bass in, right behind the flip down arm rest, Mostly i like to keep the interior stock dont want to flash around that i do have a system installed;)