What Does "Off-topic / Other Cars / Everything else Discussions" Mean Anyway???

[frownonfun]

eh... i'm all for freedom of speech but i think by signing up to a forum you are kinda accepting that the mods may censor or close threads if they feel it's for the good of the site. being a mod kinda sucks sometimes so try to cut them some slack. i think for the most part they are just trying to keep things, um, idk, cordial.

but i think the off topic section still serves a purpose. even if we can't argue politics.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

eh... i'm all for freedom of speech but i think by signing up to a forum you are kinda accepting that the mods may censor or close threads if they feel it's for the good of the site. being a mod kinda sucks sometimes so try to cut them some slack. i think for the most part they are just trying to keep things, um, idk, cordial.

but i think the off topic section still serves a purpose. even if we can't argue politics.

I do understand it, but there has to be some consistency. For one, people are going to have to learn that not everything is going to be to their liking. If someone else doesn't like GW Bush or Obama, they should be free to post those opinions. And if someone disagrees, they should be able to do so as well. Freedom of speech was something our forefathers here in the US valued enough to make it the first amendment to our Constitution. I understand not tolerating threats and such, or personal attacks; but some threads are being deleted simply because of overzealous moderation in my opinion (or am I even allowed to say that? )

If you disagree with someone's viewpoints, you can try to persuade them through good use of rhetoric. It still may not convince them, but it may educate them or someone else. That is the value of healthy discussion and debate...practiced in societies since the dawn of civilization...

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I understand not tolerating threats and such, or personal attacks; but some threads are being deleted simply because of overzealous moderation in my opinion (or am I even allowed to say that? )

Yeah, and I think that zealousness will probably diminish. At least I hope so.

Gene

[tomato]

Originally Posted by MadMax

If you disagree with someone's viewpoints, you can try to persuade them through good use of rhetoric. It still may not convince them, but it may educate them or someone else. That is the value of healthy discussion and debate...practiced in societies since the dawn of civilization...

Soooooooooooooo... MadMax, did I ever manage to convice you that there is more to California than just "fruits and nuts?"

(I'm just messing with ya, harmless joke!)

[frownonfun]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I do understand it, but there has to be some consistency. For one, people are going to have to learn that not everything is going to be to their liking. If someone else doesn't like GW Bush or Obama, they should be free to post those opinions. And if someone disagrees, they should be able to do so as well. Freedom of speech was something our forefathers here in the US valued enough to make it the first amendment to our Constitution. I understand not tolerating threats and such, or personal attacks; but some threads are being deleted simply because of overzealous moderation in my opinion (or am I even allowed to say that? )

If you disagree with someone's viewpoints, you can try to persuade them through good use of rhetoric. It still may not convince them, but it may educate them or someone else. That is the value of healthy discussion and debate...practiced in societies since the dawn of civilization...

i'm ok with disagreements. and frankly i'm ok with people hurling nasty insults at one another. it can be entertaining at times when you aren't involved in the argument. but i can see why the mods' point of view would differ. and sometimes it may seem like a thread is walking too fine a line and i reckon it's just easier to close it before things get ugly. you call it being overzealous and i'd say maybe they are just trying to err on the side of caution.

and don't get me wrong i love to argue about politics and religion. it's just one of those things i really love to do. but i just don't think it's good for this site. so i'm ok with avoiding those two topics. you might come across some political thread with some educational value every once in a blue moon but i think the majority of the time it's gonna be people flying virtual jetliners into other people's virtual twin towers. and i hope no one takes offense to that. i don't mean any. i'm just trying to illustrate how crazy people get when it comes to these two subjects.

[yaris-me]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I do understand it, but there has to be some consistency. For one, people are going to have to learn that not everything is going to be to their liking. If someone else doesn't like GW Bush or Obama, they should be free to post those opinions. And if someone disagrees, they should be able to do so as well. Freedom of speech was something our forefathers here in the US valued enough to make it the first amendment to our Constitution. I understand not tolerating threats and such, or personal attacks; but some threads are being deleted simply because of overzealous moderation in my opinion (or am I even allowed to say that? )

If you disagree with someone's viewpoints, you can try to persuade them through good use of rhetoric. It still may not convince them, but it may educate them or someone else. That is the value of healthy discussion and debate...practiced in societies since the dawn of civilization...

I don't understand why you are trying to force your will on everyone. If you were fair minded, you would ask for a vote. But you are not. You just bitch and moan to everyone's discontent.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by tomato

Soooooooooooooo... MadMax, did I ever manage to convice you that there is more to California than just "fruits and nuts?"

(I'm just messing with ya, harmless joke!)

Well, ya almost did, until someone from California posted this...

Originally Posted by yaris-me

I don't understand why you are trying to force your will on everyone. If you were fair minded, you would ask for a vote. But you are not. You just bitch and moan to everyone's discontent.

Wow, yaris-me, did your feelings get hurt somehow? If you have an opinion, post it; but all you are doing is launching a personal attack on someone without any evidence to back it up. I'm not being "fair-minded?" Where do you get that? I am asking for the ability for everyone on here to be able to post their opinions and to have healthy discussion without the kind of comments like the ones you just posted! And I also like how you speak for and represent the entire group. I was posting my opinion, but you have polled the entire population of this forum and found that my comments have been considered 100% as being discontenting by the entire group! Wow, I am impressed with your thoroughness!

Actually, you are actually providing a good counter-argument, which is maybe some people on here aren't mature enough to participate in adult discussions!

If people are not able to handle some aggressive discussion, then they can steer clear of the "off-topic, everything else" area of the forum, or at least threads that appear political. But all I am advocating is the ability to discuss non-Yaris issues on here without the immediate slam-dunk of a moderator.