Religious Question/Opinion

[cali yaris]

I read through some of this, not all, but mostly the first thread with the questions.

My question to the Kaotic's gf etc. mentioned is that I don't see how it's possible to strictly follow the Bible about everything, since it contradicts itself in so many ways. This is not to criticize, but most solutions involve accepting only part of the Bible and not the whole thing (new Christians follow the New Testament, for example).

I would be curious to know what their answer is to that.

The Bible, divinely inspired or not, was written by people and requires deep interpretation to find personal truths reqarding religious belief. Further, that these truths are personal and cannot be just transferred onto someone else in terms of right, wrong, correct behavior, etc.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

I read through some of this, not all, but mostly the first thread with the questions.

My question to the Kaotic's gf etc. mentioned is that I don't see how it's possible to strictly follow the Bible about everything, since it contradicts itself in so many ways. This is not to criticize, but most solutions involve accepting only part of the Bible and not the whole thing (new Christians follow the New Testament, for example).

I would be curious to know what their answer is to that.

The Bible, divinely inspired or not, was written by people and requires deep interpretation to find personal truths reqarding religious belief. Further, that these truths are personal and cannot be just transferred onto someone else in terms of right, wrong, correct behavior, etc.

You are correct in pretty much everything. Now I have to ask, if you were god, being omniscient and omnipotent - WHY, OH WHY would you make the bible so convoluted that it needs to be decrypted and interpreted, leaving wholes the size of the grand canyon in your story??

Wouldn't it have been easier to make a sensible, believable story, that doesn't fly in the face of science(which is a tool given from God).

This is a serious question. I was born and raised lutheran. Went to christian school, church every sunday, catechism. I can fairly certainly say I've had more christian doctrine rammed down my throat every day than 95% of people. It finally came down to I can not justify why god would make it so GOD DAMN HARD to have faith. Every one in the bible had solid proof in their face. Parting water, burning bushes, pillars of salt, water to wine, the bible is full of miracles that helped the people believe.

Now we have PROOF, SOLID PROOF, that the world is older than 6-10,000 years, as the bible very clearly states. We can see light from farther than 10,000 light years away. Not to mention carbon dating puts many materials on earth past billions of years.

So there is PROOF the bible is wrong. There is NO PROOF anything is true in it. Now, as garm pointed out, there are very clear contradictions, and I have to pick and choose through this book what I want to believe?

God either gets a LOT of enjoyment in seeing the human race squirm and is a sick bastard, or he doesn't exist.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by supmet

You are correct in pretty much everything. Now I have to ask, if you were god, being omniscient and omnipotent - WHY, OH WHY would you make the bible so convoluted that it needs to be decrypted and interpreted, leaving wholes the size of the grand canyon in your story??

Wouldn't it have been easier to make a sensible, believable story, that doesn't fly in the face of science(which is a tool given from God).

This is a serious question. I was born and raised lutheran. Went to christian school, church every sunday, catechism. I can fairly certainly say I've had more christian doctrine rammed down my throat every day than 95% of people. It finally came down to I can not justify why god would make it so GOD DAMN HARD to have faith. Every one in the bible had solid proof in their face. Parting water, burning bushes, pillars of salt, water to wine, the bible is full of miracles that helped the people believe.

Now we have PROOF, SOLID PROOF, that the world is older than 6-10,000 years, as the bible very clearly states. We can see light from farther than 10,000 light years away. Not to mention carbon dating puts many materials on earth past billions of years.

So there is PROOF the bible is wrong. There is NO PROOF anything is true in it. Now, as garm pointed out, there are very clear contradictions, and I have to pick and choose through this book what I want to believe?

God either gets a LOT of enjoyment in seeing the human race squirm and is a sick bastard, or he doesn't exist.

I said all of this (well not exactly, but things similar) and this is what my gf said, "The Bible/God does not care of world views/thoughts. It's irrelevant to Him." So things like Evolution and all of that doesn't matter. They follow the Bible strictly, so if you guys know of any verses that contradict themselves, please let me know.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

I read through some of this, not all, but mostly the first thread with the questions.

My question to the Kaotic's gf etc. mentioned is that I don't see how it's possible to strictly follow the Bible about everything, since it contradicts itself in so many ways. This is not to criticize, but most solutions involve accepting only part of the Bible and not the whole thing (new Christians follow the New Testament, for example).

I would be curious to know what their answer is to that.

The Bible, divinely inspired or not, was written by people and requires deep interpretation to find personal truths reqarding religious belief. Further, that these truths are personal and cannot be just transferred onto someone else in terms of right, wrong, correct behavior, etc.

I already know what she'll say to you post, Garm. She will say, "How does the Bible contradict itself? And God wrote the Bible, not people (I got into a debate about this just the other day. I guess she told her eldest sister, and she forwarded something to my gf to forward to me, websites that say why "we can trust the Bible," but it's the Internet, you can't exactly trust everything you find on the Internet right? For all I know, people can just be making all that stuff up.).

I'm on your boat, Garm.