GT17 too small?

[The Spectacle]

Originally Posted by Tamago

the car will take care of timing at 7psi.

Wait...what?


What?


There's so much wrong here I don't even know where to begin.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by The Spectacle

Wait...what?


What?


There's so much wrong here I don't even know where to begin.

YOU REALLY REALLY should just shut the F up at this point.

you don't understand in the LEAST how VVTi and knock sensors work, do you?

[The Spectacle]

Originally Posted by Tamago

YOU REALLY REALLY should just shut the F up at this point.

you don't understand in the LEAST how VVTi and knock sensors work, do you?

lol now this is getting fun...

So I bring up a valid point about timing and you're answer is to leave it to the knock sensor?? Seriously? So since I have no idea what I'm talking about, maybe you can explain what the ECU does when it detects knock. Pull timing right? Right...but how much? Until it stops knocking? Do you know how, pun intended, retarded that sounds? The knock sensor is designed to pull timing based on IAT's, variances in octane, and a few other factors...not to make up for not having the proper values in the timing map to reference in relation to positive pressure.

I'm going to pretend that you didn't mention VVTi seeing how it has no relevance here. But maybe you can explain that one too.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by The Spectacle

lol now this is getting fun...

So I bring up a valid point about timing and you're answer is to leave it to the knock sensor?? Seriously? So since I have no idea what I'm talking about, maybe you can explain what the ECU does when it detects knock. Pull timing right? Right...but how much? Until it stops knocking? Do you know how, pun intended, retarded that sounds? The knock sensor is designed to pull timing based on IAT's, variances in octane, and a few other factors...not to make up for not having the proper values in the timing map to reference in relation to positive pressure.

I'm going to pretend that you didn't mention VVTi seeing how it has no relevance here. But maybe you can explain that one too.

you have no experience with forced induction in the 1nzfe.

i do

i know what works safely.



you're going on my ignore list, not worth my time answering your retarded arguments.

[Jeemee]

Originally Posted by The Spectacle

Real world experience with a boosted Yaris? NO.

Garm, I respect you on this site for your contributions so I won't be disrespectful to you like I would, say Poopy Peter or somebody else as stupid. But, on this subject I think you and anyone who thinks like you are just flat wrong. Spreading the message that adding forced induction without proper engine management to ANY car is ridiculous within itself, not to mention the fact that you're doing it on a car with a 10.5CR (or whatever it is) that was designed for fuel economy. I mean, at the VERY LEAST I would recommend at least doing a rising rate FMU and a map/maf clamp but even that is still a recipe for disaster in the long term. Just because you got away with it for "almost a year" doesn't make it safe. There are kids on this site that don't know any better and if they read a post that says "you can boost your Yaris to 7psi without any engine management" they'll go do it, blow their motors and come back and blame you instead of their own retardness. Boosting a N/A motor is hard enough with the proper components...but slapping on a turbo with no supporting mods? What about the effects on ignition timing? A/F ratio? Fuel pressure? EGT's? It goes on and on...

I'm all for doing stupid shit, but I draw the line when I see people (especially someone so key on this site like you) recommending to other people to do stupid shit.

I understand where you're coming from on this. I think you've made your point so now those "kids" will read it and maybe decide against it. I'll have supporting mods. The ecu will take care of timing, enough anyway. The TC injectors will take care of the A/F ratio, a wide band for observation. Our stock fuel system is capable of handling 7 psi. I don't plan on going over that at this stage.

[turboecho2005]

Originally Posted by The Spectacle

Real world experience with a boosted Yaris? NO.

Garm, I respect you on this site for your contributions so I won't be disrespectful to you like I would, say Poopy Peter or somebody else as stupid. But, on this subject I think you and anyone who thinks like you are just flat wrong. Spreading the message that adding forced induction without proper engine management to ANY car is ridiculous within itself, not to mention the fact that you're doing it on a car with a 10.5CR (or whatever it is) that was designed for fuel economy. I mean, at the VERY LEAST I would recommend at least doing a rising rate FMU and a map/maf clamp but even that is still a recipe for disaster in the long term. Just because you got away with it for "almost a year" doesn't make it safe. There are kids on this site that don't know any better and if they read a post that says "you can boost your Yaris to 7psi without any engine management" they'll go do it, blow their motors and come back and blame you instead of their own retardness. Boosting a N/A motor is hard enough with the proper components...but slapping on a turbo with no supporting mods? What about the effects on ignition timing? A/F ratio? Fuel pressure? EGT's? It goes on and on...

I'm all for doing stupid shit, but I draw the line when I see people (especially someone so key on this site like you) recommending to other people to do stupid shit.

ANY engine can take 5psi of boost with a properly sized turbo. Even motors with high compression above 11:1 can be boosted to 5psi and with tunning you can push them to 8 or 9psi and with meth injection you can run 12-14psi. High compression and boost gives you the best of both worlds but hard to tune for high boost.

You don't need a built motor and tones of mods to put a turbo on your car. Id look forward to blowing up my motor so i could just rebuilt it stronger and go again.

I'd say go for it and turbo the stock motor with 7psi. Don't let The Spectacle discourage anyone.

[PETERPOOP]

Originally Posted by The Spectacle

Apparently (per Garm) the FIC doesn't work

http://yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17932