K&N Filters

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Once again we go back to the fact of how do you know it's not honest?? Have you tested it?? Have you seen someone test it on a Yaris? How do you know it doesn't increase the HP? Are you God and your just not telling us. Come on now, don't hold out....because I have a lot of questions!

How does it not "appear that the dust problem..." is bad?

Yes there have been about 2 or 3 other people that have posted that they don't like K&N for some reason or another. Just like there have been other people stating that they do like them....so whats your point?

You're a mess. Didn't you say that their link said NO HP increase for the Yaris drop-in, only the cone P/N? Correct? Still with me? Now my question again...how then do they claim an increase in performance and acceleration for the Yaris drop-in, on the buy now link, and on the box? Tell me.

My point?...fetch.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

You're a mess. Didn't you say that their link said NO HP increase for the Yaris drop-in, only the cone P/N? Correct? Still with me? Now my question again...how then do they claim an increase in performance and acceleration for the Yaris drop-in, on the buy now link, and on the box? Tell me.

My point?...fetch.

No, thats not what I said. I said it shows an exact number for the cone. It does not show a number for the drop-in. It doesn't say "No increase" or "0" beside nor did I say that it did. It doesn't say anything beside it.

You're the one that said that the filter will not give the Yaris an increase in HP. You're the one that is claiming that their statement is false. I have never said it was true or false. I have said that the filter might increase HP or it might even decrease HP. But I don't know because I have not had it tested in my vehicle.

So back to what got this all started. HOW do you know that their statement is false? You already said you have never used one in a Yaris or you have not tested one. So if you are going to make a claim or attack someone else's claim, you have to have proof to back it up rather than saying that it will not increase HP. It's common sense. So, please show us your proof. If you can prove it then I, as well as others on here will finally listen to you. But until you show some proof, you are just blowing smoke!

p.s. Why do you think my conditions aren't as dusty as I said they were?

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

No, thats not what I said. I said it shows an exact number for the cone. It does not show a number for the drop-in. It doesn't say "No increase" or "0" beside nor did I say that it did. It doesn't say anything beside it.

You said that there are no claims, NONE, for a performance increase in the Yaris (dropin)...and that's simply a lie and false advertisement, look at their box that the Yaris Dropin comes in.

"This is Yaris World, not Hondalovers.com. Where are they pushing the claim for the Yaris? If you go to the K&N website and look at the Yaris drop-in claims, you will notice that there are NONE!!!"

You're the one that said that the filter will not give the Yaris an increase in HP.

No, I said it was a sound mod and it can be reused, and it won't save big $$ at the pump, or give power that can be felt, like some seem to claim, that's when you lost it and all hell broke loose.

You're the one that is claiming that their statement is false.

You, way back on page 2 when you pretended that K&N now stands for an economy filter, and not just a performance filter (Yaris drop-in) LMAO, even tho' it says it's to improve performance right on the Yaris filter box?

I have never said it was true or false. I have said that the filter might increase HP or it might even decrease HP. But I don't know because I have not had it tested in my vehicle.

Looks like you don't know much, except how to get defensive about your fanboi filter.

So back to what got this all started. HOW do you know that their statement is false? You already said you have never used one in a Yaris or you have not tested one.

No, it all started because you couldn't handle what I stated about the TOYOTA Avalon, but you didn't seem to mind it when others said the K&N lost performance on the dyno, when every K&N box talks about a so-called increase in performance.

So if you are going to make a claim or attack someone else's claim, you have to have proof to back it up rather than saying that it will not increase HP. It's common sense.

Like I said before about your evasion, IF there was a HP increase K&N would mention it, just like they do for the cone...no problems with giving out a number for that P/N, but they avoid doing so with the other Yaris P/N...but they STILL promise performance and acceleration increase on the Yaris box...HOW? They did a test to backup that so-called claim? Really? Where's their numbers to prove that increase claim? But you said it might even decrease, so you seem just as unsure about it as I do.

So, please show us your proof. If you can prove it then I, as well as others on here will finally listen to you. But until you show some proof, you are just blowing smoke!

p.s. Why do you think my conditions aren't as dusty as I said they were?

How often do you wash your engine?

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

You said that there are no claims, NONE, for a performance increase in the Yaris (dropin)...and that's simply a lie and false advertisement, look at their box that the Yaris Dropin comes in.

"This is Yaris World, not Hondalovers.com. Where are they pushing the claim for the Yaris? If you go to the K&N website and look at the Yaris drop-in claims, you will notice that there are NONE!!!"



No, I said it was a sound mod and it can be reused, and it won't save big $$ at the pump, or give power that can be felt, like some seem to claim, that's when you lost it and all hell broke loose.




You, way back on page 2 when you pretended that K&N now stands for an economy filter, and not just a performance filter (Yaris drop-in) LMAO, even tho' it says it's to improve performance right on the Yaris filter box?



Looks like you don't know much, except how to get defensive about your fanboi filter.



No, it all started because you couldn't handle what I stated about the TOYOTA Avalon, but you didn't seem to mind it when others said the K&N lost performance on the dyno, when every K&N box talks about a so-called increase in performance.



Like I said before about your evasion, IF there was a HP increase K&N would mention it, just like they do for the cone...no problems with giving out a number for that P/N, but they avoid doing so with the other Yaris P/N...but they STILL promise performance and acceleration increase on the Yaris box...HOW? They did a test to backup that so-called claim? Really? Where's their numbers to prove that increase claim? But you said it might even decrease, so you seem just as unsure about it as I do.

So, please show us your proof. If you can prove it then I, as well as others on here will finally listen to you. But until you show some proof, you are just blowing smoke!



How often do you wash your engine?

I said that on the page where they show the exact number for the cone they don’t give an exact number so thanks for repeating exactly what I said. We are aware of what they put on the box, you have reminded us 50 times. No one is trying to deny that the boxes don’t say what you are stating. So now you are changing your mind? Now you are saying that the K&N filter will give a HP increase? Way back on page 2 I told you why I use the filter. That didn’t mean that’s why K&N makes them. Yes, I said I don’t know anything about the HP increases or decreases and their claims. So thanks again for repeating what I already said. There was only 1 person on here that talked about the dyno and that was after you had already made your claim and that test was not performed on a Yaris. You want to see my proof? Proof of what? I haven't made any claims! Once again I have already stated the K&N could increase, decrease, or even keep the HP the same. You are the one that said it would not increase it so you are the one that needs to back up a claim with Proof. I never said the have tested the dropin Yaris filter. So once again we are back where we started. K&N has made a claim. You said that claim is false. Shows us how you know it's false. You keep dodging the question!

I cleaned my engine at the start of the summer, at the beginning of my 2 1/2 month vacation.

[1stToyota]

I see what you're getting at...since K&N makes the increase horsepower and acceleration claim--on every filter they sell--they've certainly done testing to back up those sales pitches, yes? I mean, they're not just making it up to increase profits, they've got actual individual test results to back up those claims...know where they are?

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

I see what you're getting at...since K&N makes the increase in performance and acceleration claim--on every filter they sell--they've certainly done testing to back up those sales pitches, yes? I mean, they're not just making it up to increase profits, they've got actual individual test results to back up those claims...know where they are?

I don't have a problem with their claim. You do. K&N doesn't have a problem with their own claim. You do. They have made a claim on their products. As a consumer, if you think it is a lie, then you prove how it is a lie. To this point, you have not shown any proof. This is basic economics that you learn in high school.

[1stToyota]

No, fanboi, if they/K&N makes the claim for increased horsepower and performance, they need to provide proof, not I. How do they know they improved HP for the Yaris drop-in? They tested it and have the proof, or just guessed/made it up to increase sales? This is just honest business practice, to provide proof to back a selling point that they're so proud of they put it on every box.