K&N Filters

[b_hickman11]

[QUOTE=1stToyota;353398]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I don't have a problem at all with you, or anybody else for that matter , for being unable and/or unwilling to provide proof that K&N tests every single one of their applications to see if the so-called HP increase is actually true.

Why does Toyota still choose not to use K&N so often?

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"Well I am in the middle of my annual 2 1/2 month vacation and I have nothing better to do at this moment"

WOW!! You're really letting me control your vacation time? PWNED!!

You already asked that question a few pages back and I already gave you an answer. Why do you ignore my questions? Have I stumped God?

Why does FRAM sell more filters than K&N?

[1stToyota]

[QUOTE=b_hickman11;353400]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

You already asked that question a few pages back and I already gave you an answer. Why do you ignore my questions? Have I stumped God?

Why does FRAM sell more filters than K&N?

Sure, we all see the point that you're trying to make about K&N's 1% spot, and how you'd like to use this little thread as an example...from recent postings: Service departments not wanting to mess with drippy filters, concerns over sensors and dust, HP loss on the dyno, big power loss due to datastream info that's way below specs, damaged motorcycle engines, poor results on UOA, former K&N buyers going back to paper, "filtration" problems, K&N supporter stating that even he wouldn't use a K&N with very dirty/dusty conditions, auto makers not getting too excited about non-paper filters, etc... hey, maybe they could try throwing in an extra sticker or two.

btw, It's a tie @ 63 postings each, so far...feel free to pull way ahead, since you're on vacation and real bored. LOL!

[b_hickman11]

[QUOTE=1stToyota;353779]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Sure, we all see the point that you're trying to make about K&N's 1% spot, and how you'd like to use this little thread as an example...from recent postings: Service departments not wanting to mess with drippy filters, concerns over sensors and dust, HP loss on the dyno, big power loss due to datastream info that's way below specs, damaged motorcycle engines, poor results on UOA, former K&N buyers going back to paper, "filtration" problems, K&N supporter stating that even he wouldn't use a K&N with very dirty/dusty conditions, auto makers not getting too excited about non-paper filters, etc... hey, maybe they could try throwing in an extra sticker or two.

btw, It's a tie @ 63 postings each, so far...feel free to pull way ahead, since you're on vacation and real bored. LOL!

OK let me dumb down the question and then see if we can get an answer.

Why do sales reports at auto parts stores show other filter companies such as Wix and Fram, selling more filters than K&N during 1 year?

p.s. Fram, STP, and Purolator all have claims on their boxes that their filters will increase MPG and maximize performance. But there is no proof on the box, just like K&N.

Another question about the K&N claim. When they say "Increase horsepower and acceleration," what do you think they are basing that on. Does it say, "compared to stock setup" or does it say "compared to a dirty air filter"? No it doesn't say either one. It's an opened ended claim. So when you read it, you are probably thinking about the stock setup and maybe they are talking about a dirty air filter.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

me dumb

Guess so.

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"Well I am in the middle of my annual 2 1/2 month vacation and I have nothing better to do at this moment"

WOW!! You're really letting me control your vacation time? PWNED!!

Why do sales reports at auto parts stores show other filter companies such as Wix and Fram, selling more filters than K&N during 1 year?

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Great idea...surprised that I didn't think of that first. Never tried it, but if one were to go to...say...WalMart, the mall for a day, or any place with lots of traffic and ask young & old, male & female, ask them if they know what filter they use, maybe 90+% of the time they won't say K&N?

Another question about the K&N claim. When they say "Increase horsepower and acceleration," what.

Just yesterday you kept stressing that the so-called claims meant nothing to you...thanks for letting me change your view so quickly.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Guess so.

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"Well I am in the middle of my annual 2 1/2 month vacation and I have nothing better to do at this moment"

WOW!! You're really letting me control your vacation time? PWNED!!




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Great idea...surprised that I didn't think of that first. Never tried it, but if one were to go to...say...WalMart, the mall for a day, or any place with lots of traffic and ask young & old, male & female, ask them if they know what filter they use, maybe 90+% of the time they won't say K&N?






Just yesterday you kept stressing that the so-called claims meant nothing to you...thanks for letting me change your view so quickly.

Not only yesterday, but for the past week. I haven't changed my view. I have tested the K&N on 2 Yaris's and have showed my results to back up anything I have claimed. But you make a claim without any back up information. But I'm just trying to help you realize why your claim of "It's false because I said so" doesn't have much weight.

And I'm glad I'm still taking up your time and I've got you all fired up and going back to look at old post!! Didn't know we were keeping score. Thats so sweet.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Not only yesterday, but for the past week. I haven't changed my view. I have tested the K&N on 2 Yaris's and have showed my results to back up anything I have claimed. But you make a claim without any back up information. But I'm just trying to help you realize why your claim of "It's false because I said so" doesn't have much weight.

Wrong...said where's the proof? Did you find it yet?

And I'm glad I'm still taking up your time and I've got you all fired up and going back to look at old post!! Didn't know we were keeping score. Thats so sweet.

Too late to try and change what happened, pawn...you're the one that wept that I am controlling your vacation time and that I would keep you "bouncing" for another week.

And real sorry that you're not up to speed yet...didn't look up old postings, silly, just clicked the reply number...you know, the one listed with every posting? Gives the numbers right there, fanboi.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Wrong...said where's the proof? Did you find it yet?



Too late to try and change what happened, pawn...you're the one that wept that I am controlling your vacation time and that I would keep you "bouncing" for another week.

And real sorry that you're not up to speed yet...didn't look up old postings, silly, just clicked the reply number...you know, the one listed with every posting? Gives the numbers right there, fanboi.

Remember when I posted the pictures of the air box?? That was my proof of my claim. You remember what my claim was? Here's a hint...It had nothing to do with HP increases.
Really? I wasn't talking about post numbers, Mr. Score Keeper, you told me that I said something a year ago in an old thread. So you looked that up.....

[bearda]

A K&N supporter could always claim that FRAM sells more filters because one K&N per car is all you ever need...

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by bearda

A K&N supporter could always claim that FRAM sells more filters because one K&N per car is all you ever need...

My question wasn't how often, it was what brand of filter do you use. K&N probably wouldn't be mentioned even 3% of the time.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

My question wasn't how often, it was what brand of filter do you use. K&N probably wouldn't be mentioned even 3% of the time.

Ummmm you never had a question. I asked 3 different questions and you ignored them and started talking about something different. You said K&N accounts for 1% or less of the total sales of air filters. But now you are changing what you said....

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Ummmm you never had a question. I asked 3 different questions and you ignored them and started talking about something different. You said K&N accounts for 1% or less of the total sales of air filters. But now you are changing what you said....

You're not swift enough to set me up with your desperate and loaded questions.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by bearda

A K&N supporter could always claim that FRAM sells more filters because one K&N per car is all you ever need...

Exactly....and thats one reason why K&N sells less filters than most other companies. Thats one reason why other companies get more money out of it's customers pockets! I'm glad someone answered the questions. 1stToyota has been ignoring them.....

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Exactly....and thats one reason why K&N sells less filters than most other companies. Thats one reason why other companies get more money out of it's customers pockets! I'm glad someone answered the questions. 1stToyota has been ignoring them.....

That doesn't quite add up for their K&N oil filters...that might sell about .001% of the time, does it?

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

That doesn't quite add up for their K&N oil filters...that might sell about .001% of the time, does it?

LOL....here we go again with you changing the subject. I give a reason why K&N air filters sells are where they are at and you start talking about oil filters, which has nothing to do with anything we have talked about in any threads. You come up with claims but without any proof and then when someone does have proof to back something up, you change the subject. Like when we were talking about Toyota's and you started talking about Mini's.

[1stToyota]

[QUOTE=b_hickman11;353888]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

OK let me dumb down the question and then see if we can get an answer.

Why do sales reports at auto parts stores show other filter companies such as Wix and Fram, selling more filters than K&N during 1 year?

p.s. Fram, STP, and Purolator all have claims on their boxes that their filters will increase MPG and maximize performance. But there is no proof on the box, just like K&N.

Another question about the K&N claim. When they say "Increase horsepower and acceleration," what do you think they are basing that on. Does it say, "compared to stock setup" or does it say "compared to a dirty air filter"? No it doesn't say either one. It's an opened ended claim. So when you read it, you are probably thinking about the stock setup and maybe they are talking about a dirty air filter.

See, I just snipped, I didn't forge, and I sure didn't lie and try to make you out to be some kind of pedo.

[b_hickman11]

[QUOTE=1stToyota;353975]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

See, I just snipped, I didn't forge, and I sure didn't lie and try to make you out to be some kind of pedo.

I just picked out random letters of your post like you did to me back somewhere around page 4. Remember back when I said that you were trying to make it look like a nigga can't spell......then you got your under roos all in a bind thinking I called you a nigga when I was referring to myself. Come on, you member!

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I just picked out random letters of your post like you did to me back somewhere around page 4. Remember back when I said that you were trying to make it look like a nigga can't spell......then you got your under roos all in a bind thinking I called you a nigga when I was referring to myself. Come on, you member!

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...and others probably believe that nervous and desperate attempt at damage control about as much as they believed that you really hired a man with *pink* fingers to hold your filter with one hand while you held the camera with the other. I don't care why you used the words "nigga" and "white folk"...and a lot more slurs, I just don't think it's funny, but I guess you do; you're still at it.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

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...and others probably believe that nervous and desperate attempt at damage control about as much as they believed that you really hired a man with *pink* fingers to hold your filter with one hand while you held the camera with the other. I don't care why you used the words "nigga" and "white folk"...and a lot more slurs, I just don't think it's funny, but I guess you do; you're still at it.

No one asked you what you thought. And damage control from what? You? hahahahah, thats hiiiiiilllarious!