For you Hypermilers and other MPG h4xx0rz

[ern-diz]

Brian, i can totally respect your response and actually give you a ton of credit for putting as many miles on your bicycle as you claim to have...

on another note, i've been thinking about DFCO and have a lingering question that i couldn't answer for myself by reading all 7 pages of the DFCO thread...maybe you have the answer...

do you know if DFCO still kicks in while running the a/c?...i would assume that since everything is still turning, then the appropriate belts that keep the a/c running should still be spinning but, wasn't 100% sure...

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by ern-diz

Brian, i can totally respect your response and actually give you a ton of credit for putting as many miles on your bicycle as you claim to have...

on another note, i've been thinking about DFCO and have a lingering question that i couldn't answer for myself by reading all 7 pages of the DFCO thread...maybe you have the answer...

do you know if DFCO still kicks in while running the a/c?...i would assume that since everything is still turning, then the appropriate belts that keep the a/c running should still be spinning but, wasn't 100% sure...

I thank you for the compliment, and am happy to answer your question.

Yes, DFCO will still work with the a/c on, though you will experience a much faster rate of deceleration any time the compressor is running due to the extra drag on the drive train.

[R2D2]

Bottom line= It's Bailout's car-he can drive it the way he likes as long as he's within the law. Let's face it, he's got more to stand on than all the obnoxious speeders out there. BailOut's commuting habits are far from radical behavior-more like foward thinking-we will all be operating this way in the near future-out of sheer necessity.

1st, I'm starting to think you've got quite an appetite for this type of jousting-did you spend your $200 already?

R2

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by R2D2

Bottom line= It's Bailout's car-he can drive it the way he likes as long as he's within the law. Let's face it, he's got more to stand on than all the obnoxious speeders out there. BailOut's commuting habits are far from radical behavior-more like foward thinking-we will all be operating this way in the near future-out of sheer necessity.

1st, I'm starting to think you've got quite an appetite for this type of jousting-did you spend your $200 already?

R2

If you look at my profile page you'll see that I already spent the $200.00, and sorry to break it to you, but the day that 98+% of the driving population start hypermiling it & only about 2% decide to drive the speed limit or above, acting like they need to get where they're needing to be in a rush, instead of wasting LOTS of their time [lol] to save a few cents at the pump will probably never come to pass. Gotta face it, the 2% isn't quite ready to dictate to the 98%.

[ern-diz]

Brian, that makes total sense, thanks...

R2D2, to chime in i'd say that forward thinking is more along the lines of electric vehicles and the future of it just may be in the works today with cars like the chevy volt and it's claims of over 200mpg (dare i speak of a domestic manufacture on yarisworld! lol)...i'm not a fan of american cars, having only driven toyotas and hondas in my lifetime but, there is something to be said about electric tech...if we're talking about forward thinking, we shouldn't be talking about natural resource fueled, internal combustion vehicles, IMO...

[RUFFSTUFF]

I say move over to the far right lane and drive as slow as you want.

Speeding is not some uncontrolled phenomena where you exceed the speed limit and spontaneously combust. Speed differential is the culprit. If I go 10 over and you are 10 under then the 20 mph differential is the issue. If you always do 10 under then you are probably inducing a differential of at least 10 mph.

I can easily hop on one of my bikes and go down the interstate at 150+ mph and its no big deal. Now throw some cars on the road doing 75 mph and now there's a problem.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Found this and thought it was neat...

A mechanism that was developed in Germany is the Grüne Welle, or green wave, which is an indicator that shows the optimal speed to travel for the synchronized green lights along that corridor. Driving faster or slower than the speed set by the behavior of the lights causes the driver to frequently encounter red lights. This discourages drivers from speeding or impeding the flow of traffic.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

Found this and thought it was neat...

A mechanism that was developed in Germany is the Grüne Welle, or green wave, which is an indicator that shows the optimal speed to travel for the synchronized green lights along that corridor. Driving faster or slower than the speed set by the behavior of the lights causes the driver to frequently encounter red lights. This discourages drivers from speeding or impeding the flow of traffic.

Great idea.

[RUFFSTUFF]

The topic is hypermilers being inconvenienced by non-hypermilers, right?

[47_MasoN_47]

Good grief, looks like I stirred up a poo-storm.

Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

The topic is hypermilers being inconvenienced by non-hypermilers, right?

Yes that was the point of my original post. I see that we have quite a wide variety of opinions on the subject. I don't see the acceleration rate that I tend to follow as unnecessarily slow. Most of those big-anus SUVs that are all over the place accel at about the same rate I do unless they are flooring it. It's mostly when joining traffic that I have problems because not only do I not want to add the extra wear on an engine that I need to last me at least another 15 years, I don't want to risk my personal safety by pulling out in front of people. Around here, if you pull out in front of someone (no matter how far away they are) they will speed up, then slam their brakes on behind you to make it look like it was a real big deal for them to slow down. I've had people do this even after I've reached the speed limit (45) on the roads I generally travel on.

For you speed demons, please slow down. You only live once...please don't end your, my own, or someone else's life by driving unsafely. It seems like every other day there's at least 1 fatal car wreck caused by a speeder in my city of 45k people. Sure it's not a large percentage, but that death could usually be prevented by safer driving.

I'm only 22, but in the few years I've been driving my habits have changed a lot. Until I was around 18 my little Ranger's back wheels spun often at red lights because of just being impatient and having that "I'm too good to wreck" attitude. I often drove 10 or more MPH over the speed limit. After a close friend of mine lost a cousin in a 1 car wreck because of speeding, my attitude changed greatly. It's not worth the risk to save 2 or 3 minutes.

Sorry for the epic post, but I had to get that out there.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

The topic is hypermilers being inconvenienced by non-hypermilers, right?

From OP: "the impatient a-holes honking and screaming at you when starting off at redlights and stopsigns"

I read that and thought the topic was the non-hypermilers being inconvenienced by the hypermilers, with the hypermiler being mad at the non-hypermiler for being mad.

But I know what the OP means by speed demons...yesterday I caught myself not flowing with the traffic, slowed down just enough to be nice and let someone enter the freeway ahead of me...guy behind me got really pissed off and started flashing his highbeams at me several times. Sheesh.

[posaunemeister]

I guess people are somewhat more tolerant here in KC. I haven't been honked at yet, save for day I purchased my '08 Yaris 'S' 3 weeks ago and drove home from the dealership with only a total of 10 mins of instruction and watching a few how-to videos the night before.

[ern-diz]

Originally Posted by posaunemeister

I guess people are somewhat more tolerant here in KC. I haven't been honked at yet, save for day I purchased my '08 Yaris 'S' 3 weeks ago and drove home from the dealership with only a total of 10 mins of instruction and watching a few how-to videos the night before.

are you saying it was your first time driving a MT, or?

[YarisDude]

Just my unwanted opinion....Be civil and courteous to others on the road when hypermiling (stay to the right and when in traffic go with the flow). Be civil and courteous to others on the forums. All comments have some merit (even if you do not agree), that's what makes social networking interesting. Most importantly have fun.

The Lurker - I read all, but say little.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by YarisDude

Just my unwanted opinion....Be civil and courteous to others on the road when hypermiling (stay to the left and when in traffic go with the flow). Be civil and courteous to others on the forums. All comments have some merit (even if you do not agree), that's what makes social networking interesting. Most importantly have fun.

The Lurker - I read all, but say little.

In these here parts it would be cool if the HM'ers stayed to the RIGHT.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by YarisDude

Just my unwanted opinion....Be civil and courteous to others on the road when hypermiling (stay to the right and when in traffic go with the flow). Be civil and courteous to others on the forums. All comments have some merit (even if you do not agree), that's what makes social networking interesting. Most importantly have fun.

The Lurker - I read all, but say little.

Aha you tried to be quick on the edit but I caught you!

[YarisDude]

Fingers were in gear before the brain! Sorry.

[BailOut]

Mason,

Your thoughts are solid, your approach is smooth and your attitude gives me hope regarding the current generation of young Americans.

Don't let the drama here get you down. I've been enduring it for 2 and a half years now. It's gotten so bad that many folks ask me questions or thank me via PMs for fear of being attacked on the forums, and I can't say that I blame them.

The funny thing is that it's just a few key people that always start the trouble. They change faces over time but it's always just a select few. Feel free to put them on ignore as they show themselves.