Would an All-Electric yaris be cheaper in the long run?

[Astroman]

People love to push the "green" electricity like windmills, solar, and hydroelectric, but anybody who's been living off of such electricity sources knows that the costs for "green" electricity is just not worth it.. Renewable energy is just not reliable at all.. People justify them with statements like.. "Well, in a 100 years, these solar panels will pay for themself! ".. Well, not if you have to keep replacing them every 10 years because the acidity in bird poo ruins them.. Or if your windmill farm gets destroyed by a tornado or hurricane every 5 years... Or if a droubt hits or those darn beavers reroute your water source for your hydro-electric plant.. And then you can't take out the beavers because PETA comes after you, and you can't run your hydro plant because of the beavers stealing your water, and you can't run non-renewable because of the environmentalists.. We screw ourselves over every day..

Wow.... Your statement is wrong in so many ways. I live in central washington with the lowest rates in the country thanks to hydroelectric dams (which have been here working great for 60+ years, with an average of 2 power outages a year mostly due to weather or a raccoon getting into the transformers) and windfarms. We actually have too much of the stuff, and have to sell it to the rest of the state, parts of Oregon and Idaho. And central WA is a desert, our rivers are fed by snowpack. No problems with drought as the mighty Columbia roars on. Our electricity rate is about .02 cents per kWh so electric cars are very viable here. However our other energy costs are on average higher than the rest of the country. The last couple of times I was down in California their gas & diesel was cheaper.

Our wind farms are not subject to hurricanes, that is strictly coastal areas, and nor do we get cyclones. Those wind farms are put in with agreement (and nice compensation) to grazing land owners.

Eelectric cars might not be cost wise for all areas, but here in the Pacific Nortwest they certainly are. We even have a outfit here in the area that does plug-in conversions for hybrids. So please, save us the myth that hurricanes and beavers make "green" energy viable. We've been doing it here for over 60 years, long before Fox News, and the proof is in our low electricity rates and our awesome clean air.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by Astroman

Wow.... Your statement is wrong in so many ways. I live in central washington with the lowest rates in the country thanks to hydroelectric dams (which have been here working great for 60+ years, with an average of 2 power outages a year mostly due to weather or a raccoon getting into the transformers) and windfarms. We actually have too much of the stuff, and have to sell it to the rest of the state, parts of Oregon and Idaho. And central WA is a desert, our rivers are fed by snowpack. No problems with drought as the mighty Columbia roars on. Our electricity rate is about .02 cents per kWh so electric cars are very viable here. However our other energy costs are on average higher than the rest of the country. The last couple of times I was down in California their gas & diesel was cheaper.

Our wind farms are not subject to hurricanes, that is strictly coastal areas, and nor do we get cyclones. Those wind farms are put in with agreement (and nice compensation) to grazing land owners.

Eelectric cars might not be cost wise for all areas, but here in the Pacific Nortwest they certainly are. We even have a outfit here in the area that does plug-in conversions for hybrids. So please, save us the myth that hurricanes and beavers make "green" energy viable. We've been doing it here for over 60 years, long before Fox News, and the proof is in our low electricity rates and our awesome clean air.

Too bad we all don't live in your neighborhood......but we can't. And the country has to live and make energy choices based on the average, not the exception of your neck of the woods. And what does Fox news have to do with it?

You should have started your pontification with the qualification of "In my opinion" because that is all it is. Your opinion.

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by daf62757

Too bad we all don't live in your neighborhood......but we can't. And the country has to live and make energy choices based on the average, not the exception of your neck of the woods. And what does Fox news have to do with it?

You should have started your pontification with the qualification of "In my opinion" because that is all it is. Your opinion.

lol, those are the facts, not my opinion. Except for the fox news jab, your statement about beavers, epa and hurricanes is something you would hear from a faux news talking head.

People did fight the windfarms here, but only because they said it ruined the view even though they were built on hills that only had grass and a few sage brush. And for the killing of birds, my friend only saw one in a year on a 50+ windfarm, and there was no evidence it was killed by the windmachine.

Sadly there isn't a one-size fits all for everyone. Our utility power here is publicly owned so we get great rates. Privatized power is where the rates really start to climb and reliability becomes an issue.

The bottom line electric is cleaner here than any other form of energy and is cheap, renewable, and clean. Making electric vehicles a real viable option

http://www.cbr.washington.edu/crisp/hydro/ The two dams in my area are both non-federal projects, Rocky Reach and Rock Island Dams.

[Sidicas]

Originally Posted by Astroman

Wow.... Your statement is wrong in so many ways. I live in central washington with the lowest rates in the country thanks to hydroelectric dams (which have been here working great for 60+ years, with an average of 2 power outages a year mostly due to weather or a raccoon getting into the transformers) and windfarms. We actually have too much of the stuff, and have to sell it to the rest of the state, parts of Oregon and Idaho. And central WA is a desert, our rivers are fed by snowpack. No problems with drought as the mighty Columbia roars on. Our electricity rate is about .02 cents per kWh so electric cars are very viable here. However our other energy costs are on average higher than the rest of the country. The last couple of times I was down in California their gas & diesel was cheaper.

I've never heard of a single renewable energy based power station that didn't need government funds to be competitive, but I don't doubt that there's probably a few of them out there.

Not everybody is "lucky" enough to live along fault lines where there is tons of free geothermal energy to tap into.. Of course, that's kind of like having an oil well in your backyard and not having to worry about the global market's gas prices..

If the power infrastructure existed such that it was possible for you to sell your cheap electricity to us people here in NY, you could kiss your cheap electricity prices goodbye..

We're paying 17 cents a kilowatt hour here..