Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[sqcomp]

I was suprised how small that Scion is. It's not much larger than an RX-8.

The cue I received was from Bill Pleasant's speaker setup. We'll see how things pan out over the next couple months with the competition on the 26th and the INAC competition in Redding, CA in September. All of this is about improving the sound through competition, critical judgement, and experimentation.

[derickveliz2]

I've been cutting my a-pillars, but too much dust )O: and hard work, been careful not to break them.

And not a lot of enthusiast since the system sounds so nice without a-pillars (the plastic panels)

Any way... hitting 85K miles ready for another oil change.

I've been having problems with my latest music from i-tunes when I save it to a memory stick or make a CD some tracks won't play?

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[sqcomp]

The files that iTunes is using must be incompatible with the ability of the deck. IIRC you have Goldwave, correct? Just save the files to a .WAV format and then put it on your flash drive.

...and yes, the difficulty with the system setups is making the end result visually appealing. This is why it's taking me sooooo long to integrate panels. I'm going to be re working the entire floorboard of my car to make it as flat as possible. I'm taking cues from Mike Peterson's T-bird. He showed me how he made his floor panels with fleece, lead shot, and carpet.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

The files that iTunes is using must be incompatible with the ability of the deck. IIRC you have Goldwave, correct? Just save the files to a .WAV format and then put it on your flash drive.]

I think I got corrupted files in my PC, from an album 4 out of 15 don't play in my computer either I tried contacting itunes but no success, in my iPad they play ok.

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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I'm taking cues from Mike Peterson's T-bird. He showed me how he made his floor panels with fleece, lead shot, and carpet.

Hey those tweeters in spheres look like mine!








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[sqcomp]

It's my old man day today...so Check this out:



Just picked up a nice porterhouse, a traditional German Hefewiessen (and Coke Zero of course)

...After an hour of tinkering to create this:






^ I didn't take the time to attach the LEDs today. When I do, I'll wire them in with the trunk pin...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

It's my old man day today...so Check this out:

Just picked up a nice porterhouse, a traditional German Hefewiessen (and Coke Zero of course)

...After an hour of tinkering to create this:

^ I didn't take the time to attach the LEDs today. When I do, I'll wire them in with the trunk pin...

It's nice to spend time with people we love! good for you, you are a good son! isn't your birthday this week?

Nice building the amp rack! What color LEDs lights are you going to use?

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[derickveliz2]

ok, there is a song in spanish, called "Todos queremos mas" LINK and talks about how we WANT MORE AND MORE!

so I guess that is why we never finish our projects!


Some one in other forum, is going to donate me a i6SW so I can try to ply 2 woofers up front (I'll give it back after and get my own)
but for the mean time I want to play:

"I want more BASS!"

Ok, so today I added my IDQ12 woofer to my system, I had "Y" RCA connectors and split the signal of the subwoofer, I put the woofer in the back seat and control it with a my PB amp so I can filter everything above 40 Hz and let the 12" woofer play only the LOW notes.

First impression was terrible, Phase issues, so I switch the wires from the 12" Sub (IDQ12) indeterminately I felt that extra BASS but even pushing Time Alignment and with all the power of the front stage + the i6SW I can tell it's coming from the back, and it's not a lot better, for a nice Sound Quality point of view the gain on the amp to the IDQ12 is very little, I can bump it up until the car shakes but no more SQ at that point.

end of the story... that extra little BASS coming from the back is not what I like.




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[derickveliz2]

Next TEST is to grab one of my 10" Solo-Barics and make a small box 0.66 cf and put instead of the i6SW and see what happens,
a square box is too big and may block my MIDs but I just want to try the 10" woofer.

Once I get second i6SWs the box for 2, is going to be around 0.7 cf so it's going to be a good challenge! we'll see how it goes!





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[derickveliz2]

I'm glad I didn't sell my other woofers and amps,
so I can play/test and be creative with my install, I do learn a lot at the same time I'm having so much FUN!. Any suggestions are welcome!

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[sqcomp]

I'm using bright white LEDs. Notice the white paint on the inside of the rack? It's flat white. What'll happen is that when I pop the trunk, the LEDs will illuminate the rack and make the surround glow like crazy. The amps and trunk are dark...so that will further accentuate the contrast.

I got it from Jon Webb's G8 sub enclosure idea. Im going to see Jon at CES again this year. I'm glad to be able to consider him a friend. He was awarded Installer of the year in 2011...it turns out that another friend of mine, Jeremy Carlson received the 2012 Installer of the year award at MERA Knowledgefest this last weekend. JC is the one that gave me "magic juice" on my Bit One recently. Gotta love connections...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I got it from Jon Webb's G8 sub enclosure idea.

That is going to look AWESOME!



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[derickveliz2]

Well after 600+ miles with the IDQ12 in the rear seat and some adjustments it can work pretty good! I know it's not a fare comparison but due to the power I'm using, location and enclosure types! if I had to give numbers would be like this:

IDQ12 = 10/10
i6SW = 9/10

Yes the extra little boost on bass that the IDQ12 provides is very little (about 3db or 10% more bass boost), Now I can boost the i6SW alone and perform the same way or even better than the IDQ12, with the exception of Super Loud music. The i6SW doesn't like to blow your ears and nose like the IDQ12 but I'm not that kind of guy any more. If I could get the IDQ12 up front would be another story. but I can't. And the i6SW is working AWESOME in the BASS department, That is way I'm going to try 2 of these babies!

I really like my music to feel the BASS from down all the way up in a BOLD way; what I mean is I like to feel the BASS even when the volume is low, Moderate, and High (not Super High).

I heard many systems that at low and moderate volume there is not a good BASS, you have to crank it up to feel the BASS, I'm naive here but maybe Sqcomp could tells us a little bit more about how is this issue treated in competitions.

Taking in mind that if I increase the gain on the IDQ12 Sound Quality goes away and SPL is Welcome, but the BASS starts coming from the back... and...

There is nothing more Natural that feeling all the BASS coming at you from the Stage!

The IDQ12 is out of the Yaris, I was getting a winding noise (very little but annoying to me) I guess all the extra RCAs running around were picking up that noise.


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[derickveliz2]

A second i6SW in Yaris...




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[derickveliz2]

After taking out the IDQ12 today, I was playing Hotel California, Honestly....

What a virtual experience, I feel good when I don't have to adjust the BASS for each song! every thing just plays AWESOME! no matter what kind of music, just hit it!

The i6SW hits my chest in a way I just can't describe. I know 2 doesn't means Double but since I'm getting this second woofer for FREE, it's worth the effort!

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Teaser photos....

From the Ground!





From the Air!

[sqcomp]

I was about to say...that extra space in there is going bye-bye with a second woofer up front.

Would you be ditching the foam and the inserts under the carpet for a little more space?

I'm working on a center console idea after INAC next month.

In competition, there is a category of judging for linearity at the sub bass level. This is where we get detailed and picky. You could have GREAT sound at a low to moderate level but let's say your amplifier and sub don't mesh well because of power issues at high linearity...well, you get kicked down a couple points for it.

There's also the category of imaging, ambiance, and tonality. All are affected by the sub woofer at some level. It all blends really. If your bass is too overpowering, much like the dual DD1508 setup I messed with earlier this year, you get knocked down for it. That instance had a peaky enclosure with STOOOPID amounts of bass. I took the level down 12 dB at the source to try and tame the amplitude of the signal. I replaced that setup with the ID8 then dual ID8s. I don't know why I even considered a vented DD option (aside from flipping the bird to the SQ world for the hell of it).

There is one reason I'm not using a Hybrid Imagine woofer yet...actually two. One, I get better response from the sealed enclosure woofers and there's a Legatia 13 coming out in a few months that I get to play with.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Would you be ditching the foam and the inserts under the carpet for a little more space?

I'm working on a center console idea after INAC next month.

In competition, there is a category of judging for linearity at the sub bass level. This is where we get detailed and picky. You could have GREAT sound at a low to moderate level but let's say your amplifier and sub don't mesh well because of power issues at high linearity...well, you get kicked down a couple points for it.

There's also the category of imaging, ambiance, and tonality. All are affected by the sub woofer at some level. It all blends really. If your bass is too overpowering, much like the dual DD1508 setup I messed with earlier this year, you get knocked down for it. That instance had a peaky enclosure with STOOOPID amounts of bass. I took the level down 12 dB at the source to try and tame the amplitude of the signal. I replaced that setup with the ID8 then dual ID8s. I don't know why I even considered a vented DD option (aside from flipping the bird to the SQ world for the hell of it).

There is one reason I'm not using a Hybrid Imagine woofer yet...actually two. One, I get better response from the sealed enclosure woofers and there's a Legatia 13 coming out in a few months that I get to play with.

No, I'm not going to remove anything under the carpet, MLV layer is above and rather keep the road noise away, and since it's only an experiment why bother now. If I really need the extra space I will, for sure.

Center console idea? interesting? but I can imagine it's going to be hard to accomplish. Expand please.

Thanks for the info about linearity at the sub bass level, I love to be picky in that department.

I know about the Legatia 13 coming soon, for now I get to play with 2-i6SWs I went to the post office today and there she was!

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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I was about to say...that extra space in there is going bye-bye with a second woofer up front.

Would you be ditching the foam and the inserts under the carpet for a little more space?

Just to expand more on this...

If every thing works in a positive way... I'm not only going to take out the inserts and foam... I'm thinking about cutting the metal floor and lowering it about 2 inches, then I can build a dual box for 2 i6SW's and rise the floor 1.5 inches.

Letting the vents breath the same way facing forward towards the center of the fire wall.

Just another crazy idea so I don't call this Build "Done!"


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