Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

At no time should one expect this woofer to replace the IDQ 12". It just doesn't have the cone area or excursion to do so.

BUT, for what you're using it for, an up front bass presence, this is a spectacular idea and execution Derick. Give us more on your conclusions.

I'm realistic the IDQ12 is awesome, but it doesn't fit in a small box.
The I6SW sounds good, well not as good as the IDQ12

I6SW @ 200 miles, still a baby and making progress.

D.

[TOLMACH]

Derick, is your sub ported already? Are you using the port or still no hole as on the picture?

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by TOLMACH

Derick, is your sub ported already? Are you using the port or still no hole as on the picture?

Wide open to the front!

D.

[sqcomp]

Crap! That is definately not what we want. Tonal accuracy and balance are parts of the overall picture. If your stage is that skewed then it doesn't present a proper audio picture. Does the band really move from a centrally located stage? No.

Tolm,

Let's see your setup with the 12" wide than the pillar stage...

[TOLMACH]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Crap! That is definately not what we want. Tonal accuracy and balance are parts of the overall picture. If your stage is that skewed then it doesn't present a proper audio picture. Does the band really move from a centrally located stage? No.

Tolm,

Let's see your setup with the 12" wide than the pillar stage...

Sorry, did not understand .. what do you mean by "12 inch wider than the pillar stage"?

IDeally, you should not be able to locate your subwoofer at all.. just have the bass which is usually hard to achieve, especially in sedans with subs in the trunk.. the task is a bit easier in HBs beause of lack of the rear deck

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

If your stage is that skewed then it doesn't present a proper audio picture. Does the band really move from a centrally located stage? No.

No it's not, that was a shot in the past, when I had the Mids in spheres!

As of today in a 2 way configuration, "but closer to the the listener, about 2 feet from my face and it's wider!" looks more like this : What I'm showing here is the 7 GREEN asterisks



D.

[sqcomp]

What I meant was based off what you said, "if I close my eyes, sound stage seems something like 10 or 12 inches wider that my A-pillars".

That extends past the outer limits of your mirrors.

I'd love to see your front stage setup.

Mixing the sub in just right can be a trick. It works though in the Yaris sedan...even with the sub in the trunk. Crossover techniques is what does it for me.

[TOLMACH]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

What I meant was based off what you said, "if I close my eyes, sound stage seems something like 10 or 12 inches wider that my A-pillars".

That extends past the outer limits of your mirrors.

I'd love to see your front stage setup.

Mixing the sub in just right can be a trick. It works though in the Yaris sedan...even with the sub in the trunk. Crossover techniques is what does it for me.

Well.. could not agree more on that installer's experience does matter in car audio projects..

not sure about the mirrows but unexpectedly seems wider than my pillars

You said there will be an event in Coquitlam next spring - would be good to meet would you decide to come- will show you what I did

[derickveliz2]

Ok, I took the I6SW out of it's enclosure, then with some Morton Ice Melt I started checking internal volume, and I end up with a 9.3 liter enclosure, HAT recommends 9.9 litters that means I'm short for over 1/2 a liter (2 cups).

That puts me at 94% of the recommended internal volume, should I add a little hump! to compensate and accomplish 9.9 liters? maybe I should?

[derickveliz2]

Yesterday I had the chance to have my first passenger to test the space, I just covered the enclosure with a black cloth, and didn't even say any thing to my guest:

1.- He didn't bother or noticed the enclosure, he was comfortable as far I could tell, he is about 5'-10".

2.- When I turn the music on, (very low volume, this was a business trip, not a show off) I could tell on his eyes rolling that some thing special was going on, I had some Jazz music, he kind of pause at some points to listen/feel the music.

Payless!

D.

[sqcomp]

Derick...you're funny.

You meant priceless.

That is great news! So when do you plan to compete? Hint hint...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Derick...you're funny.

You meant priceless.

That is great news! So when do you plan to compete? Hint hint...

I was sleepy last night , that's what happens when you think in Spanish and write in English.

I would love to participate in a competition, just to measure really where I'm and how much I have accomplished!

D.

[derickveliz2]

After another 200 miles with the I6SW, I was thinking... "Do I miss my IDQ12?"

Not really!

IDQ12 was nice to show off, with loud bass in the trunk, but on long trips was kind of overwhelming, my seat used to vibrate and that kind of bother me.


I6SW is not Loud, but it does what I want, like & feel the bass in my chest. every day get's better and better.








D.

[sqcomp]

Coolness! Now we need to move that stage back to the hood...

You know, it's funny, we're converging with our systems. I just realized last night that my L6SEs fit in my doors. They put out at least as much mid bass as they do in the kicks. This means I can move my mid ranges down to the kicks...AND...

wait for it, you're going to like this

put two sealed ID8s in the passenger's footwell. I've got so much power on the sub amp that I could run 12 of the little 8s.

:)

I think you might like that!

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Coolness! Now we need to move that stage back to the hood...

You know, it's funny, we're converging with our systems. I just realized last night that my L6SEs fit in my doors. They put out at least as much mid bass as they do in the kicks. This means I can move my mid ranges down to the kicks...AND...

wait for it, you're going to like this

put two sealed ID8s in the passenger's footwell. I've got so much power on the sub amp that I could run 12 of the little 8s.

:)

I think you might like that!

I really would like to know a little bit more about tuning and how to manipulate the sound, I hear many people talk about their stage on the hood, I know we have a disadvantage with the Yaris, the base of the windshield is almost 5 feet from my right ear, compare to other vehicles the base of the windshield is very close to the listener, or maybe it's an advantage for the tweeters? having all that space in front of our hears.

Yes I'm hoping my L6s will perform well in the doors, I'm sure they will do better than what I have now. your L6SE wouldn't have a problem there. I would like to cut the plastic trim over the speaker though, but I'm afraid it's going to look cheap/bad?


What tools do I need to cut metal down in the a-frame?
I would like to sink the MIDs as much as I can in there to improve the width of the stage.

If the I6SW is doing pretty good I know you could make 2 ID8s sound awesome in the passenger's foot well, you have all the power or even more than that!

D.

[sickpuppy1]

Dang I really want to hear one of your systems....I need a vacation,lol

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sickpuppy1

Dang I really want to hear one of your systems....I need a vacation,lol

Guess what makes me get out to work! LOL

D.

[sqcomp]

D,

I was going to say wait on sinking the mid into the kick. Let me do mine first so you can work off my mistakes. That being said, we have different mids. My SEs have a neo motor. With that in mind, I can snug mine almost INTO the side of the kick. lemme show a pic of the area:



The SEs will fit into that area when I place the baffle for the speaker on top of the hole.

That means one can actually put the mid range IN the kick.

Oh...what do you think about me taking the glove box out (since I'll be in the Pro/Am class for IASCA next year) and bringing the 15" up front? MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!