What Oil weight do you run?

[TheSilkySmooth]

You guy and gals are aware that most oils sold in the USA is not synthetic even though it says "full synthetic' on the bottle. The National Ad Board branch of the BBB alowed Castrol to market Syntec as synthetic even though it is just highly refined petroleum oil. Valvoline synpower is not synthetic, M1 5w-30 is not synthetic. You have to import a Euro oil to get a real syn these days. Does it matter? Yes because they are charging you a high price for something that doesnt cost the oil co's much premium to blend over a "plain jane" conventional. You are not getting what you paid for. It's a freaking joke, and its on you.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

You guy and gals are aware that most oils sold in the USA is not synthetic even though it says "full synthetic' on the bottle.

I'm more interested in the performance of the oil in the bottle for my particular application than I am in designations of synthetic vs nonsynthetic.

What are the oil's properties in my engine in my use case? If some highly refined natural source component adds properties that would be more difficult or expensive to attain from scratch, then I'm fine with that.

I'm more concerned with the motives for the target specs of an oil than I am in the sources of the components or that oil.

Arguably, management has been involved in the decision to recommend GF-4 oils. I'd like to see more illumination thrown upon the reasons for the disagreements among American, German, and Japanese manufactueres regarding oil specs. I would particularly be interested in a panel discussion between *engineers* of the respective companies. Excluding anyone *but* engineers.

-Steve

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

You guy and gals are aware that most oils sold in the USA is not synthetic even though it says "full synthetic' on the bottle. The National Ad Board branch of the BBB alowed Castrol to market Syntec as synthetic even though it is just highly refined petroleum oil. Valvoline synpower is not synthetic, M1 5w-30 is not synthetic. You have to import a Euro oil to get a real syn these days. Does it matter? Yes because they are charging you a high price for something that doesnt cost the oil co's much premium to blend over a "plain jane" conventional. You are not getting what you paid for. It's a freaking joke, and its on you.

What about Wolf's Head 100% SYN 5W30? I just ordered me a case of it, along with a case of their SD 5W30 for a friend.

The Wolf's Head 100% SYN 5W30 mentioned a synthetic base stock...I believe both the SYN and the HD 5W30s are ACEA A5/B5 rated, unless I read that wrong. I've been well pleased w/ the PP, the M1 0W30 seems good - nice & quiet like the PP at least - but I thought it was time for a change & wanted to be different.

Almost decided to go with Amalie oil because I know it's "Better than it has to be" ...but I finally decided upon the Wolf's Head because it's "The finest of the fine since 1879"

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

What about Wolf's Head 100% SYN 5W30? I just ordered me a case of it, along with a case of their SD 5W30 for a friend.

The Wolf's Head 100% SYN 5W30 mentioned a synthetic base stock...I believe both the SYN and the HD 5W30s are ACEA A5/B5 rated, unless I read that wrong. I've been well pleased w/ the PP, the M1 0W30 seems good - nice & quiet like the PP at least - but I thought it was time for a change & wanted to be different.

Almost decided to go with Amalie oil because I know it's "Better than it has to be" ...but I finally decided upon the Wolf's Head because it's "The finest of the fine since 1879"

WH SynPack base stock is CAS# 64742-54-7,mildly hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distilate petroleum oil.

some CAS# involving motor oil (Thanks MGB-V8!)
Mineral Paraffininc Base Oil - 64742-54-7; VI of +94 to 120, any group.

Mineral Naphthenic Base Oil - 64741-96-4; VI of -15, any group.

Mineral Aromatic Base Oil - 64742-03-7; VI of -185, any group.

Hydrotreated paraffininc, heavy - 64742-52-5
Hydrotreated paraffinic, light - 64742-53-6

PAO's: 68649-12-7, 68037-01-4, 163149-29-9, 151006-63-2, 151006-62-1, 151006-60-9. VII's of +155 or greater.

Diester - 28472-97-1; VII's average +170.

VII Copolymers - 127883-08-3


Additives:
ZDDP Type Adds: 68649-42-3, XXXXX-46-6.

Calcium Sulfonates: 61789-86-4

Moly Dithiophosphate - 68958-92-7 or 68958-92-9

Moly Disulfide Powders - 1317-33-5


M1 Supersyn Antiwear Technology
This is a Polyol TME

Polyol esters have lower coefficients of friction than either diesters or PAO's.

By adding a polyol ester at least 5-10% to a PAO or mineral oil reduces base oil friction remarkably. So esters are natural Friction Modifiers.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

WH SynPack base stock is CAS# 64742-54-7,mildly hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distilate petroleum oil.

some CAS# involving motor oil (Thanks MGB-V8!)
Mineral Paraffininc Base Oil - 64742-54-7; VI of +94 to 120, any group.

Mineral Naphthenic Base Oil - 64741-96-4; VI of -15, any group.

Mineral Aromatic Base Oil - 64742-03-7; VI of -185, any group.

Hydrotreated paraffininc, heavy - 64742-52-5
Hydrotreated paraffinic, light - 64742-53-6

PAO's: 68649-12-7, 68037-01-4, 163149-29-9, 151006-63-2, 151006-62-1, 151006-60-9. VII's of +155 or greater.

Diester - 28472-97-1; VII's average +170.

VII Copolymers - 127883-08-3


Additives:
ZDDP Type Adds: 68649-42-3, XXXXX-46-6.

Calcium Sulfonates: 61789-86-4

Moly Dithiophosphate - 68958-92-7 or 68958-92-9

Moly Disulfide Powders - 1317-33-5


M1 Supersyn Antiwear Technology
This is a Polyol TME

Polyol esters have lower coefficients of friction than either diesters or PAO's.

By adding a polyol ester at least 5-10% to a PAO or mineral oil reduces base oil friction remarkably. So esters are natural Friction Modifiers.

Thanks.
Uhhh, yeah...huh?
Can't tell if that means it's good oil or not.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Thanks.
Uhhh, yeah...huh?
Can't tell if that means it's good oil or not.

Its got similar hydrotreated dino base stock to Platinum or Syntec or Synpower - but it aint 70%/ PAO 15% POE /10% AN that I would prefer to see in a real syn ( from ANYONE). For stout oil hard to beat RL or M1R4T. Doest really matter unless you are out to beat the tar out of the po lil enJINE on a daily basis. Hey I got snowblower oil in mine - hows that for oil boredom

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Its got similar hydrotreated dino base stock to Platinum or Syntec or Synpower - but it aint 70%/ PAO 15% POE /10% AN that I would prefer to see in a real syn ( from ANYONE). For stout oil hard to beat RL or M1R4T. Doest really matter unless you are out to beat the tar out of the po lil enJINE on a daily basis. Hey I got snowblower oil in mine - hows that for oil boredom

Thanks. I'm curious to see how the Wolf's Head 5w30 does against the M1 0w30 Goliath when I get the UOAs done on both.

Next time you get bored you could give the Brad Penn "green" Racing Oil a try. Brad Penn appears to offer a pretty good line-up of oils.