Gun debate

[Emerge]

Perhaps you should consider relocating. I just don't see the point in owning a gun. When the ultimate conclusion of a showdown is either:

1. You kill the guy and you go to jail
2. He kills you

I understand that it can deter a lot of criminals, but if you live in an area where this happens regularly you will eventually run in to the wrong guy who will hurt you.

Anyway, so this guy just randomly chose you from a shopping crowd to pull both his gun and knife on for no reason?

[darthbauer]

Originally Posted by Emerge

Perhaps you should consider relocating. I just don't see the point in owning a gun. When the ultimate conclusion of a showdown is either:

1. You kill the guy and you go to jail
2. He kills you

I understand that it can deter a lot of criminals, but if you live in an area where this happens regularly you will eventually run in to the wrong guy who will hurt you.

Anyway, so this guy just randomly chose you from a shopping crowd to pull both his gun and knife on for no reason?

It was in the parking lot and there was no one else out there. First he pulled a knife and I quickly grabbed his hand that was holding it. Then with his free hand he went for the gun. At that point I said fuck it and gave the asshole my $40 from my pocket.

Also, I have pulled a gun on someone with the intention of shooting it and afterward I asked the cops if I would have gone to jail and they said hell no I would not have.

[Gideon]

Originally Posted by darthbauer

Also, I have pulled a gun on someone with the intention of shooting it and afterward I asked the cops if I would have gone to jail and they said hell no I would not have.

That still does not protect you from civil suits, which don't care if you were within your legal rights

My opinion is that everyone should be able to own a gun following proper training classes, even at a young age so children learn to respect firearms and understand the reponsibility that caring for a gun requires. Gun safety starts with the owner and no one else.

That said, time to rant. lol

Can you believe that I'm not allowed to buy rubber rounds for my home defense shotgun due to county restrictions/ban on non-lethal rounds.

Hope they don't mind if/when I fill some baddy with birdshot.

[Emerge]

Originally Posted by Gideon

That still does not protect you from civil suits, which don't care if you were within your legal rights

My opinion is that everyone should be able to own a gun following proper training classes, even at a young age so children learn to respect firearms and understand the reponsibility that caring for a gun requires. Gun safety starts with the owner and no one else.

That said, time to rant. lol

Can you believe that I'm not allowed to buy rubber rounds for my home defense shotgun due to county restrictions/ban on non-lethal rounds.

Hope they don't mind if/when I fill some baddy with birdshot.

Good post. I forgot about non lethal defensive weapons.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Gideon

That still does not protect you from civil suits, which don't care if you were within your legal rights

Since you live in California, I don't expect you to be familiar with Castle Doctrine; but in the great state of Texas if you are cleared in a shooting by a grand jury (and I cannot think of one instance where a law abiding citizen protecting themselves, their family or their property wasn't cleared), you cannot be the subject of a civil suit. That is the law here, and it works...

And Emerge, if you think you're safe in Sacramento, you are mistaken. According to the SPD's year-to-date stats, homicides are up 250% over last year, and aggravated assaults are up 7.7%!

No place is safe from crime, even Rhode Island! It may be safer than some other locations; but it still exists.

It's better to have and not need, than need and not have!

[Gideon]

^ I'm aware, thanks.

However, you may want to notice that my reply was to dauthbauer who lives in California, the land of Wal-Mart parking lot propositions.

Yeah, I was going to say something about Sacramento since I live on the outskirts. It is one of the 20 worst cities in the United States for crime and drugs. (Which is why I have my Remington loaded in the closet. )

Edit: I should mention for the sake of fairness that a lot of homcides in Sacramento are attributed to gang/drug violence. Obviously innocent people get involved (I had a coworker killed a few years ago at a New Year's Party for trying to look like a big man in front of some gangbangers) but for the most part a majority are gangbangers that get killed by other gangbangers.

[Emerge]

Originally Posted by MadMax

And Emerge, if you think you're safe in Sacramento, you are mistaken. According to the SPD's year-to-date stats, homicides are up 250% over last year, and aggravated assaults are up 7.7%!

No place is safe from crime, even Rhode Island! It may be safer than some other locations; but it still exists.

It's better to have and not need, than need and not have!

You quote where I posted that I was safe in Sacramento, and I'll retract that statement. I think you have misunderstood what I have been trying to communicate.

Oh, and I still don't feel the need to buy a gun for "protection."

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by MadMax

No place is safe from crime, even Rhode Island! It may be safer than some other locations; but it still exists.:

I agree, in fact, I said it first, about 15 or 20 posts back:

"Except in the city (Providence) there is very little of that crap going on. "

[Emerge]

Originally Posted by darthbauer

It was in the parking lot and there was no one else out there. First he pulled a knife and I quickly grabbed his hand that was holding it. Then with his free hand he went for the gun. At that point I said fuck it and gave the asshole my $40 from my pocket.

Also, I have pulled a gun on someone with the intention of shooting it and afterward I asked the cops if I would have gone to jail and they said hell no I would not have.

To each his own I suppose. I wonder why he brought out a knife first if he had a gun with him as well. Makes more sense to pull out the more intimidating weapon if you are trying to intimidate someone into stealing their money.