Federal Govt. expecting shutdown on APRIL 9TH

[cdydjded]

Im glad that this has been a civil debate without insults.Its rare that a political conversation doesnt end with "you are an asshole". My point is this, yes we are all worker bees, yes there has been some layoffs from both sectors. But I find it amazing the following:
the majority of layoff are in the private sector
the majority of hiring is happening in the public sector
public sector employee expects a raise every year
public sector employee expects a pension

We, the USA have a spending problem. Here is a fact, the President want a cradle to grave society, which means the government is that answer to everything. Here is another fact, in 2001 the budget for the government was $1.8 trillion, it is $4.8 Trillion today. Thats a $3 trillon difference. What has that $3 TRILLION given us? Are kids smarter? Are schools better? Are we healthier? Is the air cleaner? Are we safer? Are we more prosperous? If you answered yes to any of my question, well lets just say you dont have a grasp on what really going. The answer is no to all my questions

So how can a bigger government be in any way better? It cant, period. Government has a place, Im not saying it should be completely shut down. Im just saying limited government is all we need. And right now its moving in the unlimited direction.....

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Originally Posted by cdydjded

Im glad that this has been a civil debate without insults.Its rare that a political conversation doesnt end with "you are an asshole". My point is this, yes we are all worker bees, yes there has been some layoffs from both sectors. But I find it amazing the following:
the majority of layoff are in the private sector
the majority of hiring is happening in the public sector
public sector employee expects a raise every year
public sector employee expects a pension

We, the USA have a spending problem. Here is a fact, the President want a cradle to grave society, which means the government is that answer to everything. Here is another fact, in 2001 the budget for the government was $1.8 trillion, it is $4.8 Trillion today. Thats a $3 trillon difference. What has that $3 TRILLION given us? Are kids smarter? Are schools better? Are we healthier? Is the air cleaner? Are we safer? Are we more prosperous? If you answered yes to any of my question, well lets just say you dont have a grasp on what really going. The answer is no to all my questions

So how can a bigger government be in any way better? It cant, period. Government has a place, Im not saying it should be completely shut down. Im just saying limited government is all we need. And right now its moving in the unlimited direction.....

I agree that I cannot answer yes to any of those questions. But I don't blame bigger government necessarily. I blame the misuse of resources. No matter the size of the government if they are mishandling all their resources and putting priority towards things that were never intended to receive such attention then it's going to create problems. No matter how small they get they are still the governing body of the US. And if they are out to serve the interests of the elite and vice versa then we, as normal everyday people, will always lose.

It's funny, despite some social issues, the average blue coller conservative and liberal have much in common. We both feel like we are getting dicked. And that's because we are. Just not by each other. We really gotta find a way to find some common ground.

If you ask me even if we are only 2 dollars in debt, if we spent that 2 dollars in a way that wasn't intended by the american people (and instead was spent appeasing some corporation's lobbying firm) then we've lost any real form of democracy.