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Old 02-01-2012, 04:05 PM   #1
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why would you want to remove it?
Because it's for lazy and/or low-awareness drivers.

If you know how to drive, especially if you've had some training with brake modulation (ahem = racing experience) -- non ABS is way better.

EVERY DRIVER should have to do this to get their license, IMO:
http://www.raceschool.com/about-fast...iew=categories

In general, race cars don't use ABS. More control without it.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:23 PM   #2
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In general, race cars don't use ABS. More control without it.
The next round of responses will be:

Race cars don't have it because the rules prohibit it. If the rules allowed it all race cars would have ABS.

To which I would say:

If production ABS systems' sensitivity were infinitely user-adjustable like a race car's would most likely be, I would welcome it too. As it is, production ABS systems are too sensitive (especially Toyota's) and kick in way too soon. Threshold braking requires some slipping of the tires to be at max braking but the Yaris' ABS interprets this as lock up and releases the brake pressure prematurely.

Frankly, I think nanny-technology has created worse drivers. Thinking that ABS, traction control, airbags, seatbelts, etc., will save their asses, most people (as evidenced by how many people yak on their cell phones and/or text and drive) just don't care how poorly they drive.
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:06 PM   #3
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Because it's for lazy and/or low-awareness drivers.

If you know how to drive, especially if you've had some training with brake modulation (ahem = racing experience) -- non ABS is way better.

EVERY DRIVER should have to do this to get their license, IMO:
http://www.raceschool.com/about-fast...iew=categories

In general, race cars don't use ABS. More control without it.
Sorry man, but take a trip up to the great white north and try driving in a snow storm where you don't know weather you're driving on slush, snow, ice, or wet asphalt and have someone slide out in front of you and tell me you don't need ABS for every day emergency situations. When you have less than 1 second to react by braking and steering to avoid getting hit head on, you don't want to have to worry about preventing your wheels from locking because you can't turn with your wheels locked. [end rant]
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:10 PM   #4
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Sorry man, but take a trip up to the great white north and try driving in a snow storm where you don't know weather you're driving on slush, snow, ice, or wet asphalt and have someone slide out in front of you and tell me you don't need ABS for every day emergency situations. When you have less than 1 second to react by braking and steering to avoid getting hit head on, you don't want to have to worry about preventing your wheels from locking because you can't turn with your wheels locked. [end rant]
even there it depends, if the abs/nanny system completely segregates you're steering wheel from the road and you have no idea what you are driving on that is terrible. In that situation I want as much road feel as I can possibly have so I know if I am on ice or snow or slush or w/e.

Not to mention in most emergency situations the last thing you want to do is slam on the brakes, even with ABS it gives you less control over the vehicle. Slamming on the brakes should always be a "last ditch I have nowhere to go and if I don't stop right now I will die" choice. Not a "it is snowing hard and I can't feel what the car is doing and some jerk just cut me off and even though there are 3 empty lanes all around me I am still going to slam on the brakes for the hell of it choice."

The safest way is to not have to use your brakes and to never be put into a situation where it is stop or die. That means assume everyone around you wants you dead and keep the heck away from them.
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That means assume everyone around you wants you dead and keep the heck away from them.
Good luck with that in southern Ontario. Gridlock rules supreme here. Frustration levels are at there max.
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