Beware WIX Filter #51394

[Viperoni]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I have used the cheapest, crappiest oil filter on every car I have ever owned in 35 years and never had a problem of any kind.

Except for my 1974 VW Beetle which didnt HAVE an oil filter. It has the distinction of having the most miles on it, ~250,000 miles.

1980 Subaru 99,000 miles - sold to buy

1988 VW Station Wagen for kids. 110,ooo miles - sold when the car wouldnt start - fuel pump reply was bad. I didnt know it.

1992 Honda Accord Station Wagen (used) 153,000 miles when it was stolen. It was revoered by the police when they busted a drug gang. (trashed in the getaway attempt) In the ash tray was a business card House Of Pain Body Piercing.

!997 Saturn Sedan (used) 150,000 miles when the auto transmission went.

2005 Camry Sedan. current. 94,000 miles

None of your cars have had a LOT of mileage, except for the Beetle.
You also make no mention of how often you change the oil.

I'm over 120k miles in the Echo, and with all of the track days and my driving style in general, I'll definitely put the best quality filter. Keeping the oil clean is huge. When I change my synthetic oil every 2 track days or 5k miles, it's usually black or close to it... would a cheap Fram filter with 1/2-3/4 of the amount of media of a Wix/Mobil1/K&N do as good a job filter? Maybe.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by Viperoni

None of your cars have had a LOT of mileage, except for the Beetle.
You also make no mention of how often you change the oil.

I'm over 120k miles in the Echo, and with all of the track days and my driving style in general, I'll definitely put the best quality filter. Keeping the oil clean is huge. When I change my synthetic oil every 2 track days or 5k miles, it's usually black or close to it... would a cheap Fram filter with 1/2-3/4 of the amount of media of a Wix/Mobil1/K&N do as good a job filter? Maybe.

The VW says it all. NO OIL FILTER! 250,000 miles. I rebuilt the engine myself at 125k. The valves needed doing and I put new pistons and cylinders. But the main rod and cam bearings miked out to nearly new. At 250k I took all the guts out and put them in a 1971 VW Bus. Mains rod and cam again were good enough that I reused these parts with no machine shop work.

I changed the oil every 2000 miles religiously but remember...these engines only had 2.5 quarts of oil in them!

Good luch with that ECHO...the finest small car ever made IMO. My sons 2000 ECHO has 180k on it. I bought it for him with 117k on it five or six years ago.

When he comes to visit theres no oil on the diptick and the tires have 15 psi in them!

[Viperoni]

Originally Posted by bronsin

The VW says it all. NO OIL FILTER! 250,000 miles. I rebuilt the engine myself at 125k. The valves needed doing and I put new pistons and cylinders. But the main rod and cam bearings miked out to nearly new. At 250k I took all the guts out and put them in a 1971 VW Bus. Mains rod and cam again were good enough that I reused these parts with no machine shop work.

I changed the oil every 2000 miles religiously but remember...these engines only had 2.5 quarts of oil in them!

Good luch with that ECHO...the finest small car ever made IMO. My sons 2000 ECHO has 180k on it. I bought it for him with 117k on it five or six years ago.

When he comes to visit theres no oil on the diptick and the tires have 15 psi in them!

Good on the Beetle's bearings being in great shape, of course motors were engineered a little different back then too, but still, a great achievement!
I would change the oil every 2k too, considering no filter and air cooling.


I'm pretty happy with the echo, we'll see how long it lasts... this track season is going to be more strenous than last, but there's other guys with more mileage tracking their echo's so I'm not too worried.

The 1NZ seems to be fairly durable :)