2014 Fiesta ST Finally Priced

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I checked out the inventory of 2013 Fiestas at the Ford dealer. These have the 1.6 liter.

None was going for less than $18.5K

I can just imagine what they want for the turbo...

FOR SALE Turbo from Fiesta.... only $8000!

The turbo 1.0 liter is only supposed to add 1k to the 14k base, but I don't imagine many dealers will order many without a fair array of options. Also, if gas climbs to previous highs and beyond the 43 HWY MPG of the turbo would likely command a premium, especially with the city rating not much below that.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

The turbo 1.0 liter is only supposed to add 1k to the 14k base, but I don't imagine many dealers will order many without a fair array of options. Also, if gas climbs to previous highs and beyond the 43 HWY MPG of the turbo would likely command a premium, especially with the city rating not much below that.

I think I saw the base price on the Fiesta is $12.5?

I think neither getting the base price of any Fiesta model nor 43 mpg on the highway is likely.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I think I saw the base price on the Fiesta is $12.5?

I think neither getting the base price of any Fiesta model nor 43 mpg on the highway is likely.

Did you see that at the dealership? The blurb from Car and Driver says 14k base, but they could be wrong. I think 43 MPG HWY is possible. I just (like you) wish they were offering that engine without the turbo...too much chance it would effect reliability. Neither you (I assume) nor I would care about 'gutlessness' from lack of a turbo on a 3 cyl 1.0 liter engine, but most USDM buyers who might consider this car probably would care.

[why?]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Did you see that at the dealership? The blurb from Car and Driver says 14k base, but they could be wrong. I think 43 MPG HWY is possible. I just (like you) wish they were offering that engine without the turbo...too much chance it would effect reliability. Neither you (I assume) nor I would care about 'gutlessness' from lack of a turbo on a 3 cyl 1.0 liter engine, but most USDM buyers who might consider this car probably would care.

except that if it is both tuned right, low enough boost, and a small enough turbo, the turbo would not only add extra power, but extra gas mileage as well.

Of course, with ford's recent examples, I doubt it is. I it probably just like the other ecoboost engines, high pressure, fake numbers, and a crap job of engineering.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by why?

except that if it is both tuned right, low enough boost, and a small enough turbo, the turbo would not only add extra power, but extra gas mileage as well.

Of course, with ford's recent examples, I doubt it is. I it probably just like the other ecoboost engines, high pressure, fake numbers, and a crap job of engineering.

But would the turbo last as long as the engine? Even with the turbo resulting in better gas mileage, if the turbo gave out before the engine did you'd still have to deal with that. Would the amount saved by the increased fuel economy for the reasons you mentioned more than cover dealing with the turbo having given out before the engine? If it did, would that be worth the hassle? Some might feel it would be. I don't feel that way.

[why?]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

But would the turbo last as long as the engine? Even with the turbo resulting in better gas mileage, if the turbo gave out before the engine did you'd still have to deal with that. Would the amount saved by the increased fuel economy for the reasons you mentioned more than cover dealing with the turbo having given out before the engine? If it did, would that be worth the hassle? Some might feel it would be. I don't feel that way.

A modern turbo tuned correctly simply won't give out. They are now both oil and water cooled, and as long as someone doesn't over boost them they'll be fine.

My first car was a 1986 Saab 9000. It came with a turbo from the factory. I bought it in 1997, after it had been in storage a few years. I drove it right out of high school, my sister drove it, and then we sold it to someone we know. The turbo and the engine is still going strong. While we had to spend a bunch of money fixing everything else.

Basically turbos will last just as long as the engine as long as they are not screwed with by the cars owners. Most turbos are killed by improper tuning and cooling, not by being too old. With all the turbos in so many different cars from the late 80's we would know if turbos were a problem part.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by why?

tuned correctly

By 'tuned correctly', do you mean not changed from factory specs, or do you mean it in the sense of 'well maintained' ?