A car of interest....

[jayeh]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

I would guess tooter means re the types of things the government is choosing to spend money on (ObamaCare, for example), rather than the structure of the government. Although, with the POTUS disregarding the separation of powers set forth in our constitution, and our congress failing to impeach and try him for this, some might feel that it is debatable what form of government we have (effectively) in the United States.

I'll never understand the way people fight against healthcare. I though I do understand ever so slightly more than the average canadian and I've explained to lots of my friends that people are against it because it'll screw up/shut down lots of small businesses, and people could see jobs cut or wages cut to pay for the new coverage.

I'm always fascinated by american politics. The thing that gets me is that lots of our government services here (the postal system, national parks, provincial parks, national museums etc) are run as for profit businesses whereas the USA subsidizes these things.

Originally Posted by bentjazz

"The Real Lincoln" by Loyola Economics Professor Thomas DiLorenzo. Lincoln was a dictator, racist, and sophist extraordinaire. We should tear down the Lincoln Memorial. Lincoln was a fraud and those belonging to the Cult of Lincoln are liars....

That is one of the reasons why Lincoln should not be touted as much as he was. He did some purely evil things, and got amazingly lucky in winning the civil war.

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That sounds like an interesting read.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by jayeh

I'll never understand the way people fight against healthcare. I though I do understand ever so slightly more than the average canadian and I've explained to lots of my friends that people are against it because it'll screw up/shut down lots of small businesses, and people could see jobs cut or wages cut to pay for the new coverage.

Many of us who don't want it do not feel that way because we want to 'fight against healthcare'. We feel the way we do because what Obama CLAIMED was the impetus for healthcare reform (getting more people covered) could have been accomplished by expanding current programs (such as Medicaid, or even giving everyone the choice US Federal Employees have). After Obama took office (and the debate was renewed) several congressmen (on different committees) proposed giving the public the same insurance options that US Federal Employees have. Not one of these proposals even got out of committee. I think most people in the U.S. would have liked to see a solution that covered more people, but not ObamaCare - a top down solution that changes almost everything. Also, we don't like being lied to...and this whole process has been frought with lies coming (mainly) from Obama (you can keep the coverage you have...you can keep the doctor you have....premiums will decrease an average of $2500 per year for a family...and on and on (the list of lies is as long as both of my arms). If ObamaCare is so great, then why are any exemptions needed?....and... When was the last time you heard White House Press Secretary Jay Carney answer a question directly or really even at all? I don't think I ever have. IMO, he tries to obfuscate nearly everything.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Many of us who don't want it do not feel that way because we want to 'fight against healthcare'. We feel the way we do because what Obama CLAIMED was the impetus for healthcare reform (getting more people covered) could have been accomplished by expanding current programs (such as Medicaid, or even giving everyone the choice US Federal Employees have). After Obama took office (and the debate was renewed) several congressmen (on different committees) proposed giving the public the same insurance options that US Federal Employees have. Not one of these proposals even got out of committee. I think most people in the U.S. would have liked to see a solution that covered more people, but not ObamaCare - a top down solution that changes almost everything. Also, we don't like being lied to...and this whole process has been frought with lies coming (mainly) from Obama (you can keep the coverage you have...you can keep the doctor you have....premiums will decrease an average of $2500 per year for a family...and on and on (the list of lies is as long as both of my arms). If ObamaCare is so great, then why are any exemptions needed?....and... When was the last time you heard White House Press Secretary Jay Carney answer a question directly or really even at all? I don't think I ever have. IMO, he tries to obfuscate nearly everything.

Another reason I feel this way is that I feel betrayed. I was at a family dinner after Obama secured the nomination in 2008. One of my relatives has good friends who are good friends of Hillary's and this relative is a big Hillary supporter (she drives her dad crazy as he is to the right of Attila the Hun). I argued that Obama was the proper choice. Now my favorite point in his presidency is when he had to sit there and listen to Dr. Benjamin Carson (go Dr. Carson) at the Prayer Breakfast. While sitting there, Obama looked as if he had just swallowed a POS.