Facelifted 2015 Yaris Leaked

[kimona]

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When I was younger, I enjoyed driving a stick; the car performed better, I felt I was in control to some degree, and I possibly saved fuel when I wasn't driving like there was no tomorrow. This isn't the case today; automatics perform exceptionally well and very often use less fuel than a stick. I love the Yaris 4-speed automatic. I think its a brilliant piece of work! I have absolutely no desire to ever drive a stick again.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by kimona

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When I was younger, I enjoyed driving a stick; the car performed better, I felt I was in control to some degree, and I possibly saved fuel when I wasn't driving like there was no tomorrow. This isn't the case today; automatics perform exceptionally well and very often use less fuel than a stick. I love the Yaris 4-speed automatic. I think its a brilliant piece of work! I have absolutely no desire to ever drive a stick again.

one can go all over fuelly and fuel economy.gov and see that the reality is still that the sticks are doing better in the real worl.

in the case of the yaris, which doesn't even use a dual clutch "automatic", it is even more pronounced, with a vast majority of people getting 40+ mpg's are driving sticks.

cvt's are getting pretty efficient, but they suck more life out of driving that even the old automatics.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by roxy1

cvt's are getting pretty efficient, but they suck more life out of driving that even the old automatics.

[Kal-El]

There's still numerous CVT's on the market that have proved troublesome in reliability. No thanks. I hope automakers continue building traditional automatics. At least until CVT's become bullet proof. There are some that perform very well though, such as the one in the new Accord. Although it's reliability isn't proven for the long haul.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by kimona

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When I was younger, I enjoyed driving a stick; the car performed better, I felt I was in control to some degree, and I possibly saved fuel when I wasn't driving like there was no tomorrow. This isn't the case today; automatics perform exceptionally well and very often use less fuel than a stick. I love the Yaris 4-speed automatic. I think its a brilliant piece of work! I have absolutely no desire to ever drive a stick again.

2 main reasons I prefer a stick (other than just liking the driving experience, and intentionally avoiding the MPG angle....which is almost like politics () in that rarely will anyone change anyone else's opinion):

1. I don't like the idea of not being able to push and compression start the car if it won't 'turn over'.

2. In my experience, a babied automatic won't last as long as a babied clutch and manual transmission (the clutch and tranny in my Yaris have lasted a bit over 100,000 miles past the longest I've been able to get an automatic transmission to last (in an Acura).