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[bronsin]

Originally Posted by Jcp123

I headed off my wife's desire to move to NY. I love her but when she suggested that, I couldn't help but think she was a crazy bat.

New York The State of Superlatives!

Yes you have to shovel a little snow but theres plenty of water, no tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, forest fires, etc.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

no tornadoes, hurricanes

One word....Sandy.

When one of my sets of great great grandparents (mom's side) were first married, they lived in Ogdensburg, NY....across the St. Lawrence River from Canada. Goal (per family stories passed down): Oakland, CA...for two reasons...1. WEATHER....2. Oakland lacked a Baptist church (my great great grandftther was one of the founders of the First Baptist Church of Oakland). My great grandfather's older brother was born downstate a bit in Fayetteville, NY. Six years later my great grandfather was born in NYC (Brooklyn), and by the time he was a year or so old they were living in Oakland. Nine years later, their little brother was born in Oakland.

Imagining what those winters must have been like.....especially in Ogdensburg, but also in Fayetteville and NYC...and this being during the 19th century...the WEATHER must have been a strong motivator.

If you retire to a place with a climate similar to my area, your Yaris might be more likely to last until you are 75. Your ice related fender bender likely wouldn't repeat in such a climate .

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

One word....Sandy.

When one of my sets of great great grandparents (mom's side) were first married, they lived in Ogdensburg, NY....across the St. Lawrence River from Canada. Goal (per family stories passed down): Oakland, CA...for two reasons...1. WEATHER....2. Oakland lacked a Baptist church (my great great grandftther was one of the founders of the First Baptist Church of Oakland). My great grandfather's older brother was born downstate a bit in Fayetteville, NY. Six years later my great grandfather was born in NYC (Brooklyn), and by the time he was a year or so old they were living in Oakland. Nine years later, their little brother was born in Oakland.

Imagining what those winters must have been like.....especially in Ogdensburg, but also in Fayetteville and NYC...and this being during the 19th century...the WEATHER must have been a strong motivator.

If you retire to a place with a climate similar to my area, your Yaris might be more likely to last until you are 75. Your ice related fender bender likely wouldn't repeat in such a climate .

Sandy was a one in a hundred year event here. Fla., TX Louisiana get em MUCH more often. And the people who got hurt were the ones living at the shore. There was hardly a breeze where I live near Philly. You know what the Bible says about he who builds his house upon the sand...

Yes I imagine your ancestors had it pretty rough in that neck of the woods. I grew up in a place like that too. It was great! We got out of school on snow days, made money shoveling driveways ($5 per) When I was 12 I had $100 in my pocket from that at times. We had snowmobiles. We went hunting and ice fishing.

Yes now that I am old Ive moved south the NJ where theres half the snow and its much warmer on average in winter...

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

It was great! We got out of school on snow days, made money shoveling driveways ($5 per) When I was 12 I had $100 in my pocket from that at times. We had snowmobiles. We went hunting and ice fishing.

^^^^^ But that was before an age in life where one has to think about driving on the roads synonymous with those conditions .

I don't know where around here your mom nor your brother live, but one of the reasons I wouldn't want to live in Galveston County, Brazoria County, Fort Bend County, nor parts of Harris County is...too close to the Gulf.

I remember fairly recently, some people in NYC were trying to do what you did as a kid....shovel driveways...and were stopped by some city official and told that isn't allowed . I hope that silly stance hasn't spread to other areas.

[Flammable]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

^^^^^ But that was before an age in life where one has to think about driving on the roads synonymous with those conditions .

I don't know where around here your mom nor your brother live, but one of the reasons I wouldn't want to live in Galveston County, Brazoria County, Fort Bend County, nor parts of Harris County is...too close to the Gulf.

I remember fairly recently, some people in NYC were trying to do what you did as a kid....shovel driveways...and were stopped by some city official and told that isn't allowed . I hope that silly stance hasn't spread to other areas.

Why in the world would city officials stop someone from shoveling out their driveways??? That's insane lol

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Flammable

Why in the world would city officials stop someone from shoveling out their driveways??? That's insane lol

I wasn't referring to people shoveling their own driveways, but to shoveling other people's driveways to make money, as Bronsin wrote on this thread that he did as a kid. I was thinking somewhat about a recent incident, but more so about one that happened within the last few years re the Stop and Frisk policy in NYC. I just did the search 'new york city people making extra money shoveling driveways stopped by city' search on the DuckDuckGo.com search engine. Eight of the hits that came up were about the recent incident a few weeks ago. Sorry, it was in the NYC area/metro, not NYC. Happened in Bound Brook, NJ (2013 population estimate under 11,000)...about 19 miles outside the city limits of NYC. Two 18 year old guys passed out flyers in their own neighborhood re shoveling snow. A neighbor called the cops on them, and the cops stopped the teens. They needed a permit...which costs $450.00 for a 180 day period . During this same time frame/snowstorm, another snow shoveling incident occurred in a suburb of Philadelphia....Lower Merion Township. What should have been the only issue there = the age of the young men. Lower Merion allows kids to solicit door to door, but not adults. One of the two men questioned was 34 and the other was 18. They had been hired by the woman whose snow they were shoveling. Unfortunately, this didn't end up being the only issue in the media....the two men questioned are Black, and affluent Lower Merion is over 85% White and under 6% Black. One of the hits on my search related to NYC Stop and Frisk....the Stop and Frisk - Tumblr hit.... but, once I clicked on it and scrolled, I couldn't find the passage that was part of header on the DuckDuckGo.com hit.

[Flammable]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

I wasn't referring to people shoveling their own driveways, but to shoveling other people's driveways to make money, as Bronsin wrote on this thread that he did as a kid. I was thinking somewhat about a recent incident, but more so about one that happened within the last few years re the Stop and Frisk policy in NYC. I just did the search 'new york city people making extra money shoveling driveways stopped by city' search on the DuckDuckGo.com search engine. Eight of the hits that came up were about the recent incident a few weeks ago. Sorry, it was in the NYC area/metro, not NYC. Happened in Bound Brook, NJ (2013 population estimate under 11,000)...about 19 miles outside the city limits of NYC. Two 18 year old guys passed out flyers in their own neighborhood re shoveling snow. A neighbor called the cops on them, and the cops stopped the teens. They needed a permit...which costs $450.00 for a 180 day period . During this same time frame/snowstorm, another snow shoveling incident occurred in a suburb of Philadelphia....Lower Merion Township. What should have been the only issue there = the age of the young men. Lower Merion allows kids to solicit door to door, but not adults. One of the two men questioned was 34 and the other was 18. They had been hired by the woman whose snow they were shoveling. Unfortunately, this didn't end up being the only issue in the media....the two men questioned are Black, and affluent Lower Merion is over 85% White and under 6% Black. One of the hits on my search related to NYC Stop and Frisk....the Stop and Frisk - Tumblr hit.... but, once I clicked on it and scrolled, I couldn't find the passage that was part of header on the DuckDuckGo.com hit.

Ahh ok I see it only applies when its for hire. Well even that doesn't make any sense other than the city is levying a huge tax, er I mean permit fee, to shovel snow for hire. Stop and Frisk huh, I didn't know about that one and I bet it is without probable cause as well. Oh well who needs the bill of rights ha.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Two 18 year old guys passed out flyers in their own neighborhood re shoveling snow. A neighbor called the cops on them, and the cops stopped the teens. They needed a permit...which costs $450.00 for a 180 day period . .

Unbelievable!

You wonder why people get guns and shoot other people up. There it is!

[Jcp123]

Originally Posted by bronsin

New York The State of Superlatives!

Yes you have to shovel a little snow but theres plenty of water, no tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, forest fires, etc.

Again, my problem with snowbound climates...

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Jcp123

Again, my problem with snowbound climates...

Sorry that you suffer from this. Good that you were able to deter your wife re Rochester.