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[bronsin]

Originally Posted by dj92

With an income that high, you don't drive such a "cheap" thing here

We have annoying laws, too:
A 30 year old natural aspirated 2l-diesel with about 70 sluggish hp and a reasonable consumption of ~6l/100km costs ~600$ of tax per year, while the biggest, latest Porsche Cayenne (possibly one of the biggest fuel hogs available here) was around 450$ as I looked it up for fun once.

My Yaris (with weight, fuel consumption and power comparable to the diesel mentioned above) costs me ~25$

BING!

My 79 240D was 58 hp, got ~30 mpg when diesel was 79 cents a gallon and gas 99 cents. $16 to fill up its 20 gallon tank which would go 600 miles. What a car!

I note that Europe, which has beaucoup diesel cars, is having issues with air pollution in cities now. They would like the diesel to go away but that might take some doing...

I note diesel is $2.65 here while gas in nearing $2.40. The closest its been in some time...

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

BING!

My 79 240D was 58 hp, got ~30 mpg when diesel was 79 cents a gallon and gas 99 cents. $16 to fill up its 20 gallon tank which would go 600 miles. What a car!

I note that Europe, which has beaucoup diesel cars, is having issues with air pollution in cities now. They would like the diesel to go away but that might take some doing...

I note diesel is $2.65 here while gas in nearing $2.40. The closest its been in some time...

I wonder if diesels will now get more popular here in California, now that diesel fuel is cheaper than 87 octane gasoline ? I haven't noticed that many diesels in the time I've been here, but I imagine the latest 'diesel fuel being cheaper than 87 octane' phenomenon only started in January with the newest state cap and trade regulations. I know in the past some people didn't like diesels because they 'seemed so dirty'....but is that still the case ?

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

I wonder if diesels will now get more popular here in California, now that diesel fuel is cheaper than 87 octane gasoline ? I haven't noticed that many diesels in the time I've been here, but I imagine the latest 'diesel fuel being cheaper than 87 octane' phenomenon only started in January with the newest state cap and trade regulations. I know in the past some people didn't like diesels because they 'seemed so dirty'....but is that still the case ?

CA wont like diesels because of their pollution. And in any case, the long term trend in gas vs diesel prices is diesel is more expensive. Like hybrids, diesels don't make sense economically. Bottom line diesels cost more to own, same as hybrids.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

CA wont like diesels because of their pollution. And in any case, the long term trend in gas vs diesel prices is diesel is more expensive. Like hybrids, diesels don't make sense economically. Bottom line diesels cost more to own, same as hybrids.

. In addition, well taken care of gasoline engines are now closer to the lifespan of diesels, mileage wise...so that advantage is nolt what it once was.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

. In addition, well taken care of gasoline engines are now closer to the lifespan of diesels, mileage wise...so that advantage is nolt what it once was.

Yes as your experience and that of others proves! I think there are two reasons for this. One FI has eliminated the rich running at idle of engines and allowed for the uniform carburation of them at all speeds. Quite a bit of wear takes place in a carbureted engine at idle. Also, the elimination of lead in fuel makes oil change intervals longer and increases spark plug life almost indefinitely.

Change the oil and air filters in modern gas engines, especially Honda and Toyota gas engines, and they will easily outlast the life of the rest of the car.

Given the particulate pollution and NOx from diesels I see no reason to own them, for the consumer.