Honda Worse Than Kia

[Kal-El]

Kia is now one of the best. JD Power had KIA #2 in initial quality. 2nd only to Porsche for 2015. They still don't get the respect from the general public ignorant about cars. And it's not just build quality. They are design leaders, and perform very well across the board.

[ern-diz]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

Kia is now one of the best. JD Power had KIA #2 in initial quality. 2nd only to Porsche for 2015. They still don't get the respectacular from the general public ignorant about cars. And it's not just build quality. They are design leaders, and perform very well across the board.

It's obvious they've stepped things up in every way over the last several years and actually have some very attractive models, but like Hyundai, they just don't give me that solid feel when you "kick the tires", as they say. I've never come away impressed after opening/closing doors and actuating various interior pieces. They may last, but don't give you that feeling on first impression. Last time I sat in/played with some Kia models was at last years OC Auto Show and my feeling was the same.

[jcboy]

Originally Posted by Lux

For instance, to have Audi score so highly is complete rubbish. Ask the technicians what they have to say about the cars.

Audi is Volkswagen. and has VW reliability. Same sh*t different brand. LOL

Originally Posted by ern-diz

It's obvious they've stepped things up in every way over the last several years and actually have some very attractive models, but like Hyundai, they just don't give me that solid feel when you "kick the tires", as they say. I've never come away impressed after opening/closing doors and actuating various interior pieces. They may last, but don't give you that feeling on first impression. Last time I sat in/played with some Kia models was at last years OC Auto Show and my feeling was the same.

I agree, best example would be to implore you to come ride in one and try to check the stalks, they ar flimsy as hell, even in the Genesis, which are supposed to be top end.

[justanotherdrunk]

CR ratings are based completely on practicality and frugality ...


... not the passions that we enthusiasts value and understand.


For us a car is not just transportation.

[Kalispel]

Originally Posted by justanotherdrunk

CR ratings are based completely on practicality and frugality ...


... not the passions that we enthusiasts value and understand.


For us a car is not just transportation.

It still annoyed me when I read "The Five 2016 Cars To Avoid" article by CR all over the internet currently, and the Toyota Yaris is #5 of that list. A really good car is losing a lot of sales because of their skewed criteria. Do they even know that the Yaris/Vitz is rated as the most long-term reliable subcompact in the world? And, ironically part of that great reliability stems from it's "venerable", time-tested/tweeked engine/drivetrain. Not everything has to be cutting-edge tech (and tech bloat galore) to make a great car for its class - which is what CR seems to believe.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Originally Posted by ern-diz

It's obvious they've stepped things up in every way over the last several years and actually have some very attractive models, but like Hyundai, they just don't give me that solid feel when you "kick the tires", as they say. I've never come away impressed after opening/closing doors and actuating various interior pieces. They may last, but don't give you that feeling on first impression. Last time I sat in/played with some Kia models was at last years OC Auto Show and my feeling was the same.

Agreed. And that is why I won't purchase a Kia or a Hyundai. I think they cut corners to add in extras. The other halfs 13 Sportage is nowhere near as solid as my 15 Yaris. Night and day difference. They also have very poor resale. I wonder why that is? I know. Kia does have good design however. Hell, they took Audi's major designer.