Kia and Hyundai.

[ern-diz]

Originally Posted by tarkus

I think we have enough actual techs on this forum, plus I know a couple of master mechanics who tell me the same thing. There may be a bit of a yawn factor, but they're as reliable as hell.

Right, which is why I agreed with you.

Originally Posted by tarkus

One of my previous cars was a BMW Z1 roadster (look it up). The Yaris with tweaks has been the most fun to drive I've had since. So maybe not such a huge yawn factor after all.

I'm familiar with the Z1. It may not be huge yawn factor in your experience, but when stacked up next to Honda, Nissan and Mazda, Toyota is definitely the sleepiest of the bunch.

[tarkus]

Originally Posted by ern-diz

It may not be huge yawn factor in your experience, but when stacked up next to Honda, Nissan and Mazda, Toyota is definitely the sleepiest of the bunch.

I think you're right in general about Toyota, especially in North America. For some reason they abondoned the Celicia, the Supra and the MR2, and focused on middle of the road family cars, SUVs and trucks. The Scion range kept the Toyota name in Europe and therefore managed to prevent the brand looking quite so staid over there.

My wife drives a Camry, and its a great comfortable and refined family car, but with zero coolness factor. The Yaris, indeed lacks sophistication, but is huge fun because of its lightweight go-kart feel. With only minor tweaks to the engine and suspension it becomes a fantastic little sports car that's simply a pleasure to drive. Who cares if it's unsophisticated. That's a lot of its attraction, in addition to its many other good points, and I'm now on my second one.

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

I have a 2017 Sportage SX (FWD) for review this week. I have to say, it's freaking nice—like luxury car nice. 240 hp, 260 ft/lbs of torque; pretty darn quick.

FYI, I don't own or have any loyalty to Kia, Hyundai, or any other brand. But I'll tell you what, the Sportage SX is a very nice, powerful, and comfy vehicle.

That may well be but there's still a big question mark over the reliability.

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