Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[sqcomp]

Hey D, how about hooking the speakers up to these power sources? I have 100k Watts between The two for you. :)

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Hey D, how about hooking the speakers up to these power sources? I have 100k Watts between The two for you. :)

What are those for?

I have the feeling that my I6SW would like a little bit more power than the PB amp can deliver (250watts) so I'm trying my old Pioneer amp with 400watts
guess what?....

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Derick have you upgraded your alternator yet if so what brand ? And cost.

And didn't Sq say he talked to a company who made alts down at SBN?

Found post. Imma try to google these guys if not you have a contact number. I think I just want at the most a 200 amp alt if they can do a 175 -180 that would be great.

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Also, if you're looking for an aftermarket solution, I talked with Eric Gates from Mechman alternators is Tennessee this afternoon in person at SBN in Daytona. They have the Yaris frames on the shelf and can adapt for any of our needs. Special requests would take two weeks. Eric promised me that there would be no DC Power hijinks going on and that they can and will actually deliver.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by _S7V7N_

Derick have you upgraded your alternator yet if so what brand ? And cost.

And didn't Sq say he talked to a company who made alts down at SBN?

Found post. Imma try to google these guys if not you have a contact number. I think I just want at the most a 200 amp alt if they can do a 175 -180 that would be great.

No I never did or think about doing it.

My volt meter shows 14.3 v. at start and then a steady 13.9 for the ride,
with music playing loud with drops at 13.4v. I guess not having a pair of
12" woofers and 1000 watts amplifier keeps me on the safe side.

Big 3 was a good mod for me.

D.

[sqcomp]

Those are for powering a brigade level Tactical Operations Command center. They'll run 24/7 supplying power daisy chained between the two. If one ever dies, the other kicks on automatically. You should see the three screen setup we have in the main TOC. It's one hell of an XBox screen if you wanted. You should have seen the one we had in Talial Iraq. The main screen was 50' wide IIRC.

Oh hey...



We need to get you into competition in the amateur IASCA class! We've got to get you kicking ass and taking names Derick!

[derickveliz2]

Congratulations!!! SQcomp

"1st Place Pro-Am"




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[sqcomp]

Derick,

Following up with the e-mail I dropped you tonight...

Go to the Audio section on your deck.

get to the 1/3 octave EQ portion.

Notice the L & R indicators? Selecting the EQ for either side is as simple as pressing the audio button in for three seconds. Then it should flip to either L or R to make specific side based adjustments.

Give it a try.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Derick,
Go to the Audio section on your deck.
get to the 1/3 octave EQ portion.
Notice the L & R indicators? Selecting the EQ for either side is as simple as pressing the audio button in for three seconds. Then it should flip to either L or R to make specific side based adjustments.
Give it a try.

Thanks! I got it.

now lets get to learn and work... what do you think about these:

"When you are satisfied with the tonality of the system, it is time to start adjusting the left and right channels separately. These adjustments should not affect the tonality, but improve on the imaging and soundstaging. Using the Autosound 2000 Test CD 102 or 103 “My Disk” listen to the individual frequency pink noise tracks. (Test CD103 has the tracks arranged in an easier configuration.) Each frequency band should sound like it is coming from the center of the soundstage. If one band is off to one side, then use each band’s left and right eq controls as a balance control. This is very similar to the head unit’s balance control, only now you are balancing each frequency band by itself. For example if 200 Hz seems to be shifted to the left of center, lower the left 200 Hz band and raise the right 200 Hz band one dB at a time until the band is centered. If a frequency is shifted to the right, lower the band’s right channel and raise the left channel in small amounts." from a DIYMA member.

and this one....


"I must say that all I did was burn a CD that contained 0db tones that matched each one of the 31 bands on my EQ. Then I sat in my car for about 10 minutes and played each tone starting low and going up high. I kept my head perfectly still in the position I would normally drive down the road in.

Then I played each tone and adjusted the R and L EQ (graphic) and just played with cutting the R and then boosting the L and vice versa until I felt the sound was centered. Some bands needed up to +/- 3db and others needed no adjustment at all from what I could hear. And some bands I couldn't honestly resolve.

When I was done, I looked at my EQ and it was a MESS! LOL. Flipping back and forth between L and R yielded no pattern or symmetry at all. I thought, no possible way is this going to sound good. So I put in my Audiophile Female Vocal CD and cranked it up.

WELL SLAP MY A... AND CALL ME CHARLIE!! If Rebecca Pidgeon was 3 feet away from me she was a mile! It honestly felt like I had moved back in my seat, but my head had stayed in the same place the whole time. I estimate my stage moved 3" up and about 1 foot away...practially eliminating the windshield all together. I thought my stage was good before, but I damn near greased my shorts.

And the focus! Oh the focus...like I've never heard. Like scary real! Apparently sound recordings are done in actuall rooms, because it sounds like the singer is contained in a space, rather than just singing into a microphone" ... from another DIYMA member even though he has been banned


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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

Thanks! I got it.

now lets get to learn and work... what do you think about these:

"When you are satisfied with the tonality of the system, it is time to start adjusting the left and right channels separately. These adjustments should not affect the tonality, but improve on the imaging and soundstaging. Using the Autosound 2000 Test CD 102 or 103 “My Disk” listen to the individual frequency pink noise tracks. (Test CD103 has the tracks arranged in an easier configuration.) Each frequency band should sound like it is coming from the center of the soundstage. If one band is off to one side, then use each band’s left and right eq controls as a balance control. This is very similar to the head unit’s balance control, only now you are balancing each frequency band by itself. For example if 200 Hz seems to be shifted to the left of center, lower the left 200 Hz band and raise the right 200 Hz band one dB at a time until the band is centered. If a frequency is shifted to the right, lower the band’s right channel and raise the left channel in small amounts." from a DIYMA member.

and this one....


"I must say that all I did was burn a CD that contained 0db tones that matched each one of the 31 bands on my EQ. Then I sat in my car for about 10 minutes and played each tone starting low and going up high. I kept my head perfectly still in the position I would normally drive down the road in.

Then I played each tone and adjusted the R and L EQ (graphic) and just played with cutting the R and then boosting the L and vice versa until I felt the sound was centered. Some bands needed up to +/- 3db and others needed no adjustment at all from what I could hear. And some bands I couldn't honestly resolve.

When I was done, I looked at my EQ and it was a MESS! LOL. Flipping back and forth between L and R yielded no pattern or symmetry at all. I thought, no possible way is this going to sound good. So I put in my Audiophile Female Vocal CD and cranked it up.

WELL SLAP MY A... AND CALL ME CHARLIE!! If Rebecca Pidgeon was 3 feet away from me she was a mile! It honestly felt like I had moved back in my seat, but my head had stayed in the same place the whole time. I estimate my stage moved 3" up and about 1 foot away...practially eliminating the windshield all together. I thought my stage was good before, but I damn near greased my shorts.

And the focus! Oh the focus...like I've never heard. Like scary real! Apparently sound recordings are done in actuall rooms, because it sounds like the singer is contained in a space, rather than just singing into a microphone" ... from another DIYMA member even though he has been banned

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OK, I did it! (first attempt)

I couldn't test it with normal volume because I was in the garage while the rest of the family was sleeping, so tomorrow I'll try it "out loud"

But from what I could hear at very low volume is... WOW!


I started with my EQ "Flat" and work my way around every tone, some where to the right others to the left and others right on center. My EQ graph end up like crazi!!! I'll get pictures tomorrow (well later today).

Lets see what Why? thinks about it. We are meeting for lunch, but I think he is only interested in the little i6SW and not in front stage or SQ.

Back to tuning Left and right EQ I must say... there is so much to learn out there. And amazes me every time I get positive results.

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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

OK, I did it! (first attempt)
I started with my EQ "Flat" and work my way around every tone, some where to the right others to the left and others right on center. My EQ graph end up like crazi!!! I'll get pictures tomorrow (well later today).
D.

This is what Why? got to hear...

New X-Over points:




Left side EQ:




Right side EQ:




EQ combined Left & Right:




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[derickveliz2]

This morning I went to see the ophthalmologist or what ever they call him, after some testing with machines, sealed acoustically rooms, funny noises, rising my hand... I was told that every thing looks fine, I'm in the "normal" side of the graphic, I do within the normal limits I have a small deep around 4kHz.

I guess I can go back tuning now, even though when I play a 16kHz tone I can barely hear it, 20kHz don't ask. Jeje

D.

[sickpuppy1]

My ,what a sour puss in the pick,lol would it hurt that much to smile for winning.

[sqcomp]

That's Mike Peterson. He's a good man. Just the wrong split second camera shot.

[derickveliz2]

So for the record... here are my x-over points, EQ and Time Alignment as of today... Before the R - L EQ process:















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[packetrace]

Its amazing what you can do with the P99!!

[why?]

too bad you couldn't copy your settings onto usb and sell them. That is some amazing stuff.

[sqcomp]

Derick and I discussed a topic close to this yesterday. Even Derick's settings won't work for me...even though we're using similar speakers and the same type of deck (sort of).

Aiming, placement, speaker differences, and available power are just some of the factors that will change the sound from one Yaris to another.

...and damn you Derick! You cheat using that nice camera! :D I'd post up mine tonight if you'd like.

Derick's also not showing that you can change the crossover settings and the EQ from left to right on the P99. THAT is the cherry on top!

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Derick and I discussed a topic close to this yesterday. Even Derick's settings won't work for me...even though we're using similar speakers and the same type of deck (sort of).

Aiming, placement, speaker differences, and available power are just some of the factors that will change the sound from one Yaris to another.

...and damn you Derick! You cheat using that nice camera! :D I'd post up mine tonight if you'd like.

Derick's also not showing that you can change the crossover settings and the EQ from left to right on the P99. THAT is the cherry on top!

I agree, for example I told you guys (9 or 10 posts above) I put my old Pioneer amp on the I6SW and my settings changed a lot, one little thing even like 5 or 10 degrees in Aiming makes everything so different, even with the Auto tuning of the P99 the numbers are so different and sounds good, but not good enough.

And the most important factor, every body listens in a different way, what sounds good for me probably won't sound good for some one else.

I didn't cheat using my old Nikon, that is why I like Picasa, makes my pictures look good! Yes please post yours

a cherry on top! yes indeed! it's like having to systems in one!


AUTO... T/A :




Yesterday Manual T/A using my ears and the sub up front:



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