Lean Burn - Hydrogen Enrichment - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

YarisDude · 07-18-2009, 11:31 AM

If you do the physics, you loose more energy than you gain. The are losses in energy conversion, mechanical to electrical energy (alternator/belt - heat) and electrical-chemical losses in electrolysis (breaking the H and O bonds in the water). Accurately accounting for these conversion losses will show that you have no gain. Currently there is no way of invalidating the laws of thermodynamics, it would be nice to produce a perpetual motion machine out of my Yaris. If you can get the hydrogen for free you may have something - perhaps as a waste product from manufacturing. Perhaps I should get some chickens and use the poop to generate methane and bottle it to run my car, as I side product I get fresh eggs and meat. Blast, I still have to buy the chicken feed.

talnlnky · 07-19-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by YarisDude

If you do the physics, you loose more energy than you gain. The are losses in energy conversion, mechanical to electrical energy (alternator/belt - heat) and electrical-chemical losses in electrolysis (breaking the H and O bonds in the water). Accurately accounting for these conversion losses will show that you have no gain. Currently there is no way of invalidating the laws of thermodynamics, it would be nice to produce a perpetual motion machine out of my Yaris. If you can get the hydrogen for free you may have something - perhaps as a waste product from manufacturing. Perhaps I should get some chickens and use the poop to generate methane and bottle it to run my car, as I side product I get fresh eggs and meat. Blast, I still have to buy the chicken feed.

you missed the boat... its not about trying to find 100% efficiency.. its about lowering the cost per mile... and possibly emissions too.

ezhacker1 · 07-19-2009, 02:08 AM

i did a evaporator thingy instead of going HHO generator route on my previous Taco. what it was, is like the hho generator but just vacuum line sucking in outside air bubbling the water and sucking up tiny evaporated water. I really have no hard evidence on the effectiveness, no scangauge to tell me if my intake was cooler or not or inst. mpg gauge. however at pump whether it was me thinking i was doing better or not, i got like 10% increase. around 21>23mpg.

I guess intaking just tiny evaporated water makes sense to cool the intake air, kinda how driving through a cold foggy morning.

About taking too much energy to break water down to hho, theres the option of seeding the evaporator with hho, from one jar that has electricity running through it tubed to a sealed jar of water. Seems like it would make sense. Still im not about to do anything like this on my new Yaris. Even though seems like people get real life results, i might start reading up on http://www.hhoforums.com

07-19-2009, 02:08 AM	#3
ezhacker1 Drives: Decepticon - Ravage Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,464	i did a evaporator thingy instead of going HHO generator route on my previous Taco. what it was, is like the hho generator but just vacuum line sucking in outside air bubbling the water and sucking up tiny evaporated water. I really have no hard evidence on the effectiveness, no scangauge to tell me if my intake was cooler or not or inst. mpg gauge. however at pump whether it was me thinking i was doing better or not, i got like 10% increase. around 21>23mpg. I guess intaking just tiny evaporated water makes sense to cool the intake air, kinda how driving through a cold foggy morning. About taking too much energy to break water down to hho, theres the option of seeding the evaporator with hho, from one jar that has electricity running through it tubed to a sealed jar of water. Seems like it would make sense. Still im not about to do anything like this on my new Yaris. Even though seems like people get real life results, i might start reading up on http://www.hhoforums.com __________________ Check out my Build thread: http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52274

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07-18-2009, 11:31 AM	#1
YarisDude Drives: Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lebanon, Ohio Posts: 29	If you do the physics, you loose more energy than you gain. The are losses in energy conversion, mechanical to electrical energy (alternator/belt - heat) and electrical-chemical losses in electrolysis (breaking the H and O bonds in the water). Accurately accounting for these conversion losses will show that you have no gain. Currently there is no way of invalidating the laws of thermodynamics, it would be nice to produce a perpetual motion machine out of my Yaris. If you can get the hydrogen for free you may have something - perhaps as a waste product from manufacturing. Perhaps I should get some chickens and use the poop to generate methane and bottle it to run my car, as I side product I get fresh eggs and meat. Blast, I still have to buy the chicken feed.