"Parmas" Motor

[Parmas]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

After reading 21 pages of post all I can see is an engine that makes 250hp & that Parmas cant stop adding parts to his car. He need to stop making adding thinga & tune & dyno the car as it is. Thats my 2 cents...

I asure you this "adding thinga" is about to stop as this is my last engine upgrade I intend to do on the car. From the beginning, I never been proud having that plastic intake manifold and I always thought of something to replace it. The problem was the costs and when I saw this intake I was actually in love.

If this intake shows better or even a slight difference in response, I would never say it was money wasted because I like the setup more with this intake rather the stock one.

I am sure a custom one specifically for the setup would better but I don't have that kind of money to waste more on engine parts. After all finished, I intend to dyno the car to get the results.

[changchewsoon]

ah, i've been out of action for a while due to frequent business trips. i see that parmas has made improvement and progress! kudos bro!

well, i've been adding parts non stop to my car too and it has made zero horsepower so far because the built isn't finished yet.

so, i guess i need to start feeling like sh*t now because somebody here thinks by doing all these mods and adding all these parts its a waste of time eh?

i've learned so much from this site because there are good people here whose willing to share, and i hope to be able to return the favor in the future as well.

heh, parmas i think you should ignore all those nay sayers and just go ahead and complete your build. do what you want with it, and we thank you for sharing it with us.

[Parmas]

Originally Posted by changchewsoon

ah, i've been out of action for a while due to frequent business trips. i see that parmas has made improvement and progress! kudos bro!

well, i've been adding parts non stop to my car too and it has made zero horsepower so far because the built isn't finished yet.

so, i guess i need to start feeling like sh*t now because somebody here thinks by doing all these mods and adding all these parts its a waste of time eh?

i've learned so much from this site because there are good people here whose willing to share, and i hope to be able to return the favor in the future as well.

heh, parmas i think you should ignore all those nay sayers and just go ahead and complete your build. do what you want with it, and we thank you for sharing it with us.

Agreed !

[johnny_vitz]

Awesome build parmas, don't let anyone tell you different. Did you make a final choice on which intake to go with?

[Parmas]

Originally Posted by johnny_vitz

Awesome build parmas, don't let anyone tell you different. Did you make a final choice on which intake to go with?

Still working on fitting the 2ZZ intake although we stopped due to holidays. Updates next week....

[Bluevitz-rs]

well the 2zz manifold does indeed have shorter runner than the 1nz, so I don't see why it wouldn't be better.

[cali yaris]

After reading 21 pages of post all I can see is an engine that makes 250hp & that Parmas cant stop adding parts to his car.

wow. Do you enjoy trying to make people feel bad about their projects?

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

wow. Do you enjoy trying to make people feel bad about their projects?

Cmon are you kidding me! What part of what I put was not true? I didnt insult him & he repeated what I stated. He said:
"I asure you this "adding things" is about to stop as this is my last engine upgrade"

If one is not aloud to give an opinion or states facts here then what is this forum for?

He can do whatever he want. I nor anyone has the right to stop him. But I can advise him on what I feel is a waste of time & $$$. If Im wrong then ILL be the first to admit it.

[Parmas]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

If one is not aloud to give an opinion or states facts here then what is this forum for?

He can do whatever he want. I nor anyone has the right to stop him. But I can advise him on what I feel is a waste of time & $$$. If Im wrong then ILL be the first to admit it.

The fact that matters is how you put your opinion in a forum and to think before jumping to conclusions. I don't won't to say you are right nor wrong on this intake subject but yet you can't aswell.

I don't know you, nor what do you own but if you ever got a chance to put a 2ZZ intake on our engines and proved that on dyno that would not worth the money then you have all rights here. But since you are putting all words just like a matter of theories and no plausable real numbers, you can never say I am wasting time and money!

If I had the money I would dyno with the stock intake and after with the 2ZZ intake. At least I am one of the people who take risks on their project to succeed. If not, go rewind and all what there was goes go back again!

[Yoda]

^rofl lol

[cdydjded]

IMO your wasting you time & $$$. It doesnt matter if you accept it or not. I know what I know & what you are doing has no logic. All I can say is prove me wrong. I want you to succeed. I will be the 1st person to say I was wrong. Good luck : )........

[Parmas]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

IMO your wasting you time & $$$. It doesnt matter if you accept it or not. I know what I know & what you are doing has no logic. All I can say is prove me wrong. I want you to succeed. I will be the 1st person to say I was wrong. Good luck : )........

Too expensive to prove you wrong so that ends You're right doesn't it

[turboecho2005]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

IMO your wasting you time & $$$. It doesnt matter if you accept it or not. I know what I know & what you are doing has no logic. All I can say is prove me wrong. I want you to succeed. I will be the 1st person to say I was wrong. Good luck : )........

Putting any money into a car is a complete waste.

Turbocharging these econoboxs is a complete waste also.

And really who cares about time. Building a car isn't about who can make their car faster, sooner. Its about learning and enjoying the time working on the car. I've been working on cars for about 20 years and hope to keep my echo for atleast another 20 years. My ultimate plan for my echo is to make over 1000hp (since over 500hp is currently not enough ). But this is also a HUGE waste of money. As long as you know you are wasting money then its ok.

Sure its great to have a car and modify it. I have an 89 Isuzu imark Rs. I have spent $5000 restoring the body of the car to have it 100% flawless. The car is bone stock though. Its just my summer daily driver. The car has a book value of maybe $2000. In the end i am sure i am near $7k or $8k from start to finish. Why did i do it... because i love isuzus and have been working on them for over 10 years now. But I don't plan on ever selling it either. Having a car project is about working on a car... enjoying the time spent... learning new things... getting satisfaction out of it and then moving on to another project.

As long as parmas enjoys working on his car. Gets satisfaction out of it. Who cares about how much money and time he spends.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Turbocharging these econoboxs is a complete waste also.

Sorry, but I completely disagree. 8 psi doubles the whp on these cars, so if anything these are arguably some of the smartest cars to turbocharge. If you're suggesting fuel economy goes in the crapper afterwards, I'd have to disagree again. With a good tune, I haven't noticed a loss in fuel economy at all.

In fact, everything you're saying ends up being a contradiction. Spending money on modifying a car is NOT a waste if you thoroughly enjoy what you're doing. If you're out to impress others, then you're pissing away a ton of money. Especially because there's always going to be people who are never impressed (aka jealous as hell).

[cdydjded]

Sorry didnt understand what you said.....

[Parmas]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

Sorry didnt understand what you said.....

To prove you wrong, I need to do a custom intake, dyno it and after getting results.... remove the custom intake, replace with the 2ZZ intake, dyno it and compare.

But never mind, I don't have that time or money to do such thing

[cdydjded]

Sounds like I convinced you that what you are doing wont work. Please forget all that has been said here & just install the 2zz manifold on the 1NZ like you planned. Prove me wrong just with that manifold. I want you to succeed. I want you to prove me wrong on your initial idea.

BTW you are aware that weapon R has a sheet metal manifold for the xB? It would be alot easier to modify that manifold to our car.....

[Bluevitz-rs]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

BTW you are aware that weapon R has a sheet metal manifold for the xB? It would be alot easier to modify that manifold to our car.....

His car's a first gen, so it would be bolt on.