Yaris sales hit new low...

[Flipper_1938]

Dealers make more money on corollas. That's why they push them.

Same thing went on with the ECHO. You had to want an ECHO to get somebody to actually sell you one. When I bought my 2010 Yaris sedan, I had to drive 100 miles to find a dealer who had a MT sedan...next closest one was 400 miles away. My car was built in April, I bought it in November.

The average fat-ass american would rather have the bigger car for the same money anyways.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Flipper_1938

Dealers make more money on corollas. That's why they push them.

Yep.

Same thing went on with the ECHO. You had to want an ECHO to get somebody to actually sell you one. When I bought my 2010 Yaris sedan, I had to drive 100 miles to find a dealer who had a MT sedan...next closest one was 400 miles away. My car was built in April, I bought it in November.

Yep. When I bought my Yaris in Rhode Island (October 2006, 2007 model year), there were only 5 manual transmission 3-door Yarii in the entire Northeast (USA).....and at least one of those was a lie (the car was still on a boat..on the way ).

The average fat-ass american would rather have the bigger car for the same money anyways.

Yep.

[YodaBird]

Originally Posted by Flipper_1938

Dealers make more money on corollas. That's why they push them.

Same thing went on with the ECHO. You had to want an ECHO to get somebody to actually sell you one. When I bought my 2010 Yaris sedan, I had to drive 100 miles to find a dealer who had a MT sedan...next closest one was 400 miles away. My car was built in April, I bought it in November.

The average fat-ass american would rather have the bigger car for the same money anyways.

True, dealers don't make any money. My next car I hope to be a VW Jetta, I always wanted one, that and a Porsche, don't know if I'll be able to afford one. I've thought about a Benz too, then again same as a Porsche, don't know if I'll ever be able to afford.

[Onwrdigo]

I drove and/or rented everything too.

Fiat 500: Fun, but tiring after a long drive on the interstate. Did not trust it for long haul reliability either. And now, it is known for many problems.

Kia Rio5: Engine sounded like a blender on first start-up. Sales guy said "they all do that when cold due to the new fantastic direct injection that you are going to really love". Yea right, that is what I want...a car that sounds like crap every single morning.

Nissan Versa: has been the brunt of a lot of motor-magazine flack early-on for cheap feeling. I think it is downright ugly, both the four-door and hatch. And recent Nissan reliability records are not all that great either.

Current Mazda 2: Too small for me. Plus my previous experience owning both a Protege'5 and a Mazda3 hatch were nightmares from new.

Ford Focus & Fiesta: typical "Ford" lack of reliability....the absolute"worse" transmission and steering I have ever experienced on any car.

Honda Fit: Ok, more room. But never liked the old one's looks (looks like the Alien himself from the movie "Alien"). Funny how the new one looks like our Yaris now. "Hmmm". But it is made in Mexico and Honda delayed sales to "quality control something-something"....Raised my eyebrows. And to get a good one, you will spend more than a well-equipped Yaris.

Having owned my Yaris for over a year now, it has been great and "cheap to maintain". Rides great, is quiet and really does have good power and gas mileage. Yes, have had a few issues, but dealer fixed everything within minutes. The only thing I cannot cure, is the upper middle dashboard buzzing at low speeds...."grrr". But I still really like this car.

"Now", I like the looks of the new '15. And supposedly according to the Canadian press, Toyota has done a lot to the suspension, stiffened the structure (IIHS small overlap improvement???), made the interior nicer, better dashboard materials, better seats/fabric and is using new "quiet' seals to make it more silent. I do not know if this will translate to the cars sold in the U.S.; that is a question I want answered.

I don't care if it is made in France. In an earlier post, I mentioned a friend who rented a 2014 Yaris LE from Enterprise. It was made in France. Had 35,000 "rental car" miles on it. And I got to tell you; it was still very tight, well made, nicer seats, no rattles at all. I am seriously thinking of trading my '13 LE for a '15 SE.....That is if I can even find one. Toyota Southeast does not bother bringing SE's to their port. I have never seen an SE in North Carolina, only L's and LE's. I guess I will have to go to Virginia, Maryland or higher-up even to find one if that crazy logic continues? I do say...Shame on you Toyota for not bringing SE's to the SouthEast...If you do, I have yet to see one. And "market/advertise" the dang thing.

I do not want a re-designed '16 Mexican made-rebadged Mazda 2. I don't care how much the auto magazines praise Mazda. If you look at the ownership results, they are not consistent and they still have some major problems even after ditching Ford.

And this is "rich".....I was getting an oil change the other day and there were not one, but two families trading in late model Mazda 2's...one for a new Corolla and one for a "used" Yaris...go figure.

[Frank Necrosis]

My dealer kept pushing the Prius. They kept telling me how hard the Yaris is to get and how much better the Prius would be. I am sure the Prius is a good car, but the lot was packed full of used hybrids. That alone told a big story.

I am happy with the Yaris. It has the 3 things I wanted: manual transmission, air and cruise but none of the extra stuff that always seems to break.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Frank Necrosis

My dealer kept pushing the Prius. They kept telling me how hard the Yaris is to get and how much better the Prius would be. I am sure the Prius is a good car, but the lot was packed full of used hybrids. That alone told a big story.

Better for the dealer and the sales rep because both will make more money

none of the extra stuff that always seems to break.

I wish the 2015 L would carry on with the hand crank windows, but one can't always have everything .

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Onwrdigo

I drove and/or rented everything too.

Fiat 500: Fun, but tiring after a long drive on the interstate. Did not trust it for long haul reliability either. And now, it is known for many problems.

Kia Rio5: Engine sounded like a blender on first start-up. Sales guy said "they all do that when cold due to the new fantastic direct injection that you are going to really love". Yea right, that is what I want...a car that sounds like crap every single morning.

Nissan Versa: has been the brunt of a lot of motor-magazine flack early-on for cheap feeling. I think it is downright ugly, both the four-door and hatch. And recent Nissan reliability records are not all that great either.

Current Mazda 2: Too small for me. Plus my previous experience owning both a Protege'5 and a Mazda3 hatch were nightmares from new.

Ford Focus & Fiesta: typical "Ford" lack of reliability....the absolute"worse" transmission and steering I have ever experienced on any car.

Honda Fit: Ok, more room. But never liked the old one's looks (looks like the Alien himself from the movie "Alien"). Funny how the new one looks like our Yaris now. "Hmmm". But it is made in Mexico and Honda delayed sales to "quality control something-something"....Raised my eyebrows. And to get a good one, you will spend more than a well-equipped Yaris.

Having owned my Yaris for over a year now, it has been great and "cheap to maintain". Rides great, is quiet and really does have good power and gas mileage. Yes, have had a few issues, but dealer fixed everything within minutes. The only thing I cannot cure, is the upper middle dashboard buzzing at low speeds...."grrr". But I still really like this car.

"Now", I like the looks of the new '15. And supposedly according to the Canadian press, Toyota has done a lot to the suspension, stiffened the structure (IIHS small overlap improvement???), made the interior nicer, better dashboard materials, better seats/fabric and is using new "quiet' seals to make it more silent. I do not know if this will translate to the cars sold in the U.S.; that is a question I want answered.

I don't care if it is made in France. In an earlier post, I mentioned a friend who rented a 2014 Yaris LE from Enterprise. It was made in France. Had 35,000 "rental car" miles on it. And I got to tell you; it was still very tight, well made, nicer seats, no rattles at all. I am seriously thinking of trading my '13 LE for a '15 SE.....That is if I can even find one. Toyota Southeast does not bother bringing SE's to their port. I have never seen an SE in North Carolina, only L's and LE's. I guess I will have to go to Virginia, Maryland or higher-up even to find one if that crazy logic continues? I do say...Shame on you Toyota for not bringing SE's to the SouthEast...If you do, I have yet to see one. And "market/advertise" the dang thing.

I do not want a re-designed '16 Mexican made-rebadged Mazda 2. I don't care how much the auto magazines praise Mazda. If you look at the ownership results, they are not consistent and they still have some major problems even after ditching Ford.

And this is "rich".....I was getting an oil change the other day and there were not one, but two families trading in late model Mazda 2's...one for a new Corolla and one for a "used" Yaris...go figure.

Great post. Didn't someone else post that the SEs for the USDM are going to continue to be assembled in Japan ?

[timothyone]

I can't imagine why so many would choose the Nissan or even the Honda over the Yaris. I studied and drove them all and found nothing out there that seriously challenged the Yaris. I do believe the ugly and confusing to pronounce name is a turn off for many. Yaris sounds a bit Star-Treky to me, but it is a great car. The Toyota Paris would have been a nice name had it not been for that slimy Hilton girl.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by timothyone

The Toyota Paris would have been a nice name had it not been for that slimy Hilton girl.

Barron Hilton (her grandfather) has stated publicly how profoundly her antics have embarrassed him and have sullied the family name.

[Gogogordy]

Toyota had a similar problem with it's Starlet many years ago. Wisely, significant price discounts cleared the backlog. It too was a fine automobile, but outgunned competitvely and under-appreciated.

[Thirty-Nine]

I wouldn't worry too much about this month's sales. It's likely dealers are low on stock since the 2015 models should be out in the next couple of months. Expect sales to be slow until the '15 models hit.

This happens with all outgoing models.

[why?]

um, Southeast Toyota is a privately owned company Toyota has no ownership stake in. It covers all the traditional Southern states.

I'm not going to buy another Yaris. I bought mine because I was looking for gas mileage, a 3 door, and a manual.

However Toyota refuses to put any new tech into the Yaris, because God forbid its EPA numbers are anywhere near the Prius. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers a Yaris gets from the EPA test is actually higher than Toyota chooses to report.

When I bought my Yaris is had the highest MPG for non hybrid vehicles. Now it is way down the list.

But the biggest problem is price. The Yaris is a car that has to come in $10k - $15k at absolute most. The car is just too expensive, and unlike other cars in its class, it has next to no features.

[matti]

Are you saying you want the Yaris to have the same features it has now for <$15k, or would you be willing to pay more for more features?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by why?

unlike other cars in its class, it has next to no features.

Which features that other cars in the class have do you wish the Yaris had (or think the Yaris should have) ?

[Onwrdigo]

I can understanding wanting more compared to the competition.

Thing is, the Yaris seems to have everything except a Moon Roof, standard alloy wheels across the range, variable delay front wiper and an intermittent rear wiper and an armrest ( I bought a square, black "pleather" pillow to put in-between the front seats and it is way more comfortable than any armrest I have come across.)

Then again...

We have all the safety stuff: ABS, Traction Control, Vehicle Stability Control, Brake Assist, 9 airbags including seat bottom and knee airbag and more.

A "spare tire is standard" instead of a "kit" that almost all the other competition had instead. Kia wanted $300 bucks for me to add a spare tire and jack to replace the kit. Fiat wanted about the same. And for my beach trips, I am able to pack a lot of items around that tire and still close the lid even before I start packing the cargo area.

We have outside temp reading, instant and overall mileage readouts, miles to empty, Bluetooth phone hook-up, plug-in for devices.

We also have a cool little feature of being able to roll-up the power windows after the ignition is shut off.

Interior lights will shut off after a few hours if you leave them on accidentally...at least mine does. I don't recommend testing this. It happened once to me. I was like "whoa, that is cool".

I am glad we have the old 4-speed automatic...it is proven, bulletproof and shifts way better/smoother than any of the others that had more modern transmissions. "And", I am averaging 37 m.p.g. on pure highway driving at 70-75 m.p.h. with a/c on; almost the same as those 6-speed automatics. Go drive a Focus/Fiesta, you will be shocked how bad those transmissions act.

If direct-injection makes a car better, yet sounds as bad as it did on first start-up and driving the first few minutes (at least on the Rio), you can keep it. Give me the old-school Yaris. I have owned many types of cars.... 1 Ford, 6 VW's, 2 Isuzu's, 2 BMW's, 1 Saturn, 1 Jeep, 2 Mazda's, 2 Toyota's, 1 Scion. My Yaris handles hills and has a power to weight ratio better than most of them. Believe or not, it reminds me of the "good" traits" my BMW's had in many ways. I still have my '05 Scion xB with 95,000 miles on it and it has been "amazing" in reliability with the same engine and transmission as our Yaris'. I know one guy with an '06 xB that has 340,000 miles on it and he has only replaced the water pump and oil pan gasket besides the regular maintenance. That engine is still quiet and that auto transmission still shifts smooth-as-new. To me, "Old-School" can have some really nice advantages. I like "longevity and proven reliability" that goes with the old-school Yaris....That was one of the top reasons I bought it.

And the maintenance schedule is just dang-awesome. It is so easy and cheap to do.

Personally, I think it is a hell-uv-a-deal....and not all, but "some" dealers will deal on them. I got almost two grand off the sticker of my brand new Yaris LE with 5 miles on the odo. It had been on the lot for only 4 days.

But I "do" respect those who want more''''.....All of us will always want more of something in some way.

Peace''

[nortonfb]

My Yaris never struck me as a BMW in any regard. I have owned 2002's & 3 series cars.
The Yaris does remind me of one of my favorite cars to drive. A real Mini,
the kind with the 10" radial. You can drive it flat out most of the time through any twisties. Just fun to push it the corners, easy to park, fun in the city and good on gas.
The only thing I can't do is make a u-turn in my garage or the apron up to.
Just wish they were a little lighter.
Steve

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Onwrdigo

I can understanding wanting more compared to the competition.

Thing is, the Yaris seems to have everything except a Moon Roof, standard alloy wheels across the range, variable delay front wiper and an intermittent rear wiper and an armrest ( I bought a square, black "pleather" pillow to put in-between the front seats and it is way more comfortable than any armrest I have come across.)

Then again...

We have all the safety stuff: ABS, Traction Control, Vehicle Stability Control, Brake Assist, 9 airbags including seat bottom and knee airbag and more.

A "spare tire is standard" instead of a "kit" that almost all the other competition had instead. Kia wanted $300 bucks for me to add a spare tire and jack to replace the kit. Fiat wanted about the same. And for my beach trips, I am able to pack a lot of items around that tire and still close the lid even before I start packing the cargo area.

We have outside temp reading, instant and overall mileage readouts, miles to empty, Bluetooth phone hook-up, plug-in for devices.

We also have a cool little feature of being able to roll-up the power windows after the ignition is shut off.

Interior lights will shut off after a few hours if you leave them on accidentally...at least mine does. I don't recommend testing this. It happened once to me. I was like "whoa, that is cool".

I am glad we have the old 4-speed automatic...it is proven, bulletproof and shifts way better/smoother than any of the others that had more modern transmissions. "And", I am averaging 37 m.p.g. on pure highway driving at 70-75 m.p.h. with a/c on; almost the same as those 6-speed automatics. Go drive a Focus/Fiesta, you will be shocked how bad those transmissions act.

If direct-injection makes a car better, yet sounds as bad as it did on first start-up and driving the first few minutes (at least on the Rio), you can keep it. Give me the old-school Yaris. I have owned many types of cars.... 1 Ford, 6 VW's, 2 Isuzu's, 2 BMW's, 1 Saturn, 1 Jeep, 2 Mazda's, 2 Toyota's, 1 Scion. My Yaris handles hills and has a power to weight ratio better than most of them. Believe or not, it reminds me of the "good" traits" my BMW's had in many ways. I still have my '05 Scion xB with 95,000 miles on it and it has been "amazing" in reliability with the same engine and transmission as our Yaris'. I know one guy with an '06 xB that has 340,000 miles on it and he has only replaced the water pump and oil pan gasket besides the regular maintenance. That engine is still quiet and that auto transmission still shifts smooth-as-new. To me, "Old-School" can have some really nice advantages. I like "longevity and proven reliability" that goes with the old-school Yaris....That was one of the top reasons I bought it.

And the maintenance schedule is just dang-awesome. It is so easy and cheap to do.

Personally, I think it is a hell-uv-a-deal....and not all, but "some" dealers will deal on them. I got almost two grand off the sticker of my brand new Yaris LE with 5 miles on the odo. It had been on the lot for only 4 days.

But I "do" respect those who want more''''.....All of us will always want more of something in some way.

Peace''

. Under 47k miles behind your friend with the '06 xB and (other than regular maintenance) I've only replaced the alternator and the front wheel bearings.

[roxy1]

im happy to have all the advanced safety features that really matter, though I think I draw the line at cars self maneuvering for accident avoidance and such.

however, all the tech stuff just does nothing for me. power locks and windows is as much as I need (and I don't really need the windows).

id love to see a return to true quality built stripper cars with a few essentials.