Positives and negatives to hub spacers? - Toyota Yaris Forums

detroiter · 09-01-2009, 07:48 PM

I've been looking a little bit into hub spacers but it's all foreign to me, I'm not getting any of the details aside from they space the wheel out from the hub. What are some of the ups and downs to using them? Do you need an alignment after installing them? Etc. I'm running stock tires and rim size

Altitude · 09-01-2009, 07:52 PM

They'll widen the rear track to provide some more stability and a much better look. Just bolt them on and go. No alignment required. No downside that I can see. Tamago may offer some more info seeing as how he designed the ones for Penguin Garage.

detroiter · 09-01-2009, 08:02 PM

How about the thickness, I think I saw 10 or 13mm on microimageonline. Might just have to give them a go but I want to learn more about them since I'm totally clueless.

Altitude · 09-01-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by detroiter

How about the thickness, I think I saw 10 or 13mm on microimageonline. Might just have to give them a go but I want to learn more about them since I'm totally clueless.

Post in the Penguin Garage spacer thread. Give them your wheel/tire size note if you're lowered etc. and they'll recommend which size is appropriate. I think there are some general guidelines in one of the threads that Tamago started when he announced they were available.

I have wider wheels so I went with the 10mm.

I'm sure Tamago would answer any question you have.

aeipee13 · 09-02-2009, 01:30 PM

the only negative I see is the possibility of rubbing. that depends on your wheel and tire fitment though. Just post in the PG thread as Altitude said and they will answer your questions.

I have a stock wheels and tires with 13mm spacers. The only side affect I have experienced is a boner from my car looking and feeling better when driving.

CASTREX · 09-02-2009, 02:23 PM

There are no REAL down sides... just a little change in the overall handling characteristics of your car.
You'll see... by adding 13mm spacers ( that should be your choice for stock wheels) you are adding over an inch of track to the rear of your car.
That added track will improve your stability and rear traction. It will make you feel more comfortable at high speed. This will probably make the car more oversteery than already is, but that's not a bad thing for a daily driver as is safer for the overall driver. On a tight auto x course on the other side you usually want to decrease the rear traction to reduce that factory oversteer... but that is another story...

Get the 13mm for the stock wheels... a worthy mod IMO.

2009BBPliftback · 09-05-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CASTREX

There are no REAL down sides... just a little change in the overall handling characteristics of your car.
You'll see... by adding 13mm spacers ( that should be your choice for stock wheels) you are adding over an inch of track to the rear of your car.
That added track will improve your stability and rear traction. It will make you feel more comfortable at high speed. This will probably make the car more oversteery than already is, but that's not a bad thing for a daily driver as is safer for the overall driver. On a tight auto x course on the other side you usually want to decrease the rear traction to reduce that factory oversteer... but that is another story...

Get the 13mm for the stock wheels... a worthy mod IMO.

I'm sorry I always thought the general rule was Understeer was much easier to control than Oversteer. Understeer is Plowing forward and Oversteer is when the rear end steps out. If I had to guess the wider track would reduce oversteer but i could be wrong.

CASTREX · 09-09-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 2009BBPliftback

I'm sorry I always thought the general rule was Understeer was much easier to control than Oversteer. Understeer is Plowing forward and Oversteer is when the rear end steps out. If I had to guess the wider track would reduce oversteer but i could be wrong.

If you carefully read my post, that is exactly what I said.

Decreased oversteer = Increased understeer

Increased understeer = Decreased oversteer.

When you increase the rear track your are some what improving the rear traction and therefore increasing understeer.

I also said this is actually a good thing for the average driver as it won't change the way the car handles and it will improve the high speed stability making the driver feel more confortable.

Experienced drivers who want to modify the handling of the car for more oversteer will still take benefits from the rear spacers but will add other factors such to higher rear rates, sway bars, front spacers to achieve the desired handling.

expo2 · 11-11-2009, 07:30 AM

I recently purchased a set of 13mm PG spacers for my stock setup. Can anyone tell me where the (4) shims (washers with one flat side) are intended to go? Maybe (2) shims on the bottom pair of bolts to provide camber?

Tamago · 11-11-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by expo2

I recently purchased a set of 13mm PG spacers for my stock setup. Can anyone tell me where the (4) shims (washers with one flat side) are intended to go? Maybe (2) shims on the bottom pair of bolts to provide camber?

yes, that's where they go, but not required. if you are running a low offset wheel (which you're not), you may experience rubbing on the passenger side. .

Tamago · 09-04-2009, 03:51 PM

just saw this thread.

please PM me if you have any further questions.

KCALB SIRAY · 09-04-2009, 04:55 PM

^ I think the OP is looking for knowledge, maybe you can share yours with everyone so that others are informed.

Tamago · 09-04-2009, 05:00 PM

there are no downsides to hub spacers. they mount inboard of the wheel bearings, so they do not encourage premature hub failure.

rubbing is not a downside, it MAY be a side effect from the spacers. however, all PG spacer kits ship with optional camber shims that usually do away with any rubbing issues.

1NZYaris1 · 09-04-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

there are no downsides to hub spacers. they mount inboard of the wheel bearings, so they do not encourage premature hub failure.

rubbing is not a downside, it MAY be a side effect from the spacers. however, all PG spacer kits ship with optional camber shims that usually do away with any rubbing issues.

They are a Worthy investment , and way better than putting spacer's on the front of the drum .

detroiter · 09-05-2009, 12:50 PM

Aside from just looking cool, do they actually do much handling/performance wise or are they just more about looks?

Tamago · 09-05-2009, 01:21 PM

understeer scares drivers
oversteer scares passengers

CASTREX · 09-09-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

understeer scares drivers
oversteer scares passengers

That's a good one!

And yeah the Yaris has put me before in some scary understeery situations at high speed... not funny.

lilredrocket · 09-05-2009, 01:26 PM

^ That's ture unless the drive doesn't know how to correct it

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09-01-2009, 07:52 PM	#2
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	They'll widen the rear track to provide some more stability and a much better look. Just bolt them on and go. No alignment required. No downside that I can see. Tamago may offer some more info seeing as how he designed the ones for Penguin Garage.

09-01-2009, 08:02 PM	#3
detroiter Drives: 2008 Polar White LB Auto Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,238	How about the thickness, I think I saw 10 or 13mm on microimageonline. Might just have to give them a go but I want to learn more about them since I'm totally clueless.

09-02-2009, 01:30 PM	#5
aeipee13 DKDC Drives: Yarlet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: los angeles Posts: 200	the only negative I see is the possibility of rubbing. that depends on your wheel and tire fitment though. Just post in the PG thread as Altitude said and they will answer your questions. I have a stock wheels and tires with 13mm spacers. The only side affect I have experienced is a boner from my car looking and feeling better when driving.

09-02-2009, 02:23 PM	#6
CASTREX Who said Yaris was slow? View User's Garage Drives: Yaris T-Sport 2008 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 1,287	There are no REAL down sides... just a little change in the overall handling characteristics of your car. You'll see... by adding 13mm spacers ( that should be your choice for stock wheels) you are adding over an inch of track to the rear of your car. That added track will improve your stability and rear traction. It will make you feel more comfortable at high speed. This will probably make the car more oversteery than already is, but that's not a bad thing for a daily driver as is safer for the overall driver. On a tight auto x course on the other side you usually want to decrease the rear traction to reduce that factory oversteer... but that is another story... Get the 13mm for the stock wheels... a worthy mod IMO.

11-11-2009, 07:30 AM	#9
expo2 View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris HB Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Gardiner, NY Posts: 23	I recently purchased a set of 13mm PG spacers for my stock setup. Can anyone tell me where the (4) shims (washers with one flat side) are intended to go? Maybe (2) shims on the bottom pair of bolts to provide camber?

09-05-2009, 12:50 PM	#15
detroiter Drives: 2008 Polar White LB Auto Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,238	Aside from just looking cool, do they actually do much handling/performance wise or are they just more about looks?