Liquid and bead wheel balancing - Toyota Yaris Forums

Uber_Otter · 10-14-2010, 07:31 PM

Has anyone tried dyna beads, equal, or liquid wheel balancers like Delta?

Dyna beads= tiny ceramic beads
Equal= coated sand
Delta= liquid, like anti-freeze

You put one of these inside the tire 2-3 oz and once at speed they dynamically move to the oppisite side of the heavy side of your tire. Your tire is balanced for the life of the tire. I have a scion XA so no TPMS to worry about messing up.

I like the idea of the liquid because it helps with cooling.

anyone tried this stuff?

Black Yaris · 10-14-2010, 07:47 PM

They never hold a balance, and usually vibrate worse than no weight at all

any reason you were looking into this?

Long as you match mount your tires, and balance on a quality balancer you are fine

RedRide · 10-14-2010, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

They never hold a balance, and usually vibrate worse than no weight at all

any reason you were looking into this?

Long as you match mount your tires, and balance on a quality balancer you are fine

Agreed!

firebob · 10-14-2010, 08:33 PM

There have been a few different types of ceramic beads that have been used in semis over the years and tons of people swear by them for the larger tires. In the last few years the ceramic beads have made there way into motor cycle wheels and cars. The key issue with adding the beads is using the right amount of beads for the tire size. If the right amount is not added then there will be issues.

All liquids change viscosity with temp. I don’t know much about using an antifreeze type liquid in tires except on farms where they use it to change the weight of the tractor.

The last few sets of tires I have bought I have had ceramic balancing beads.

jonismyname · 10-14-2010, 09:51 PM

i use dyna beads in my motorcycle tires. if i could mount car tires at home, i would use dyna beads in those too. balance machines are questionable in some shops, so if you don't know what to look for or what to expect your results may vary. and balancers won't account for plugs and missing weights down the road. yari' have much easier lives than my bike and truck, but if it works reliably then it works...

severous01 · 10-14-2010, 10:12 PM

fluid dynamics says it's going to move the furthest away from center...no matter the balance of the wheel. so, if the out of balance section is vibrating and the wheel is moving in an eliptical manner, the liquid or free moving parts will migrate to the furthest point....hence making balance worse.

i saw a bmw with these in there...they said they'd had the balance done about a week before and they couldnt take it any more. so, we stuck weights on it and perfect balance. happy customer.

i wont use the liquids or bb's in mine. too much to worry about.

Uber_Otter · 10-15-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jonismyname

i use dyna beads in my motorcycle tires. if i could mount car tires at home, i would use dyna beads in those too. balance machines are questionable in some shops, so if you don't know what to look for or what to expect your results may vary. and balancers won't account for plugs and missing weights down the road. yari' have much easier lives than my bike and truck, but if it works reliably then it works...

I bought a tire changer tire changer and a bubble balancer from harbor freight. So now I can do my tire work myself, this lets me buy used tires really cheap. A set of 4 with say 70% tread life is not worth paying to have the mount and balance done by a shop. But for me to do it, its free. The tire changer works great as long as you use enough tire lube and bolt it down to the concrete. A bubble balancer is as good as you make it. I drive a lot, and I'm fairly hard on tires, about 30,000 a year. I'm going to try this stuff because I can now and its not a big deal to swap back to weights. Hopefully my wheels wont explode :)

Uber_Otter · 10-15-2010, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by severous01

fluid dynamics says it's going to move the furthest away from center...no matter the balance of the wheel. so, if the out of balance section is vibrating and the wheel is moving in an eliptical manner, the liquid or free moving parts will migrate to the furthest point....hence making balance worse.

Yes that's true, it only works when the tires on the road or spun on non-fixed axle. When the heavy spot is at the top the wheel hops up enough to pull whatever media your using to the opposite side. This continues until the tie balances itself out.

If you spin it on a fixed axle like a spin balacer it will do exactly what you are saying.

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm

10-14-2010, 07:31 PM	#1
Uber_Otter Drives: Black XA not yaris but close Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: DFW Posts: 48	Liquid and bead wheel balancing Has anyone tried dyna beads, equal, or liquid wheel balancers like Delta? Dyna beads= tiny ceramic beads Equal= coated sand Delta= liquid, like anti-freeze You put one of these inside the tire 2-3 oz and once at speed they dynamically move to the oppisite side of the heavy side of your tire. Your tire is balanced for the life of the tire. I have a scion XA so no TPMS to worry about messing up. I like the idea of the liquid because it helps with cooling. anyone tried this stuff?

10-14-2010, 07:47 PM	#2
Black Yaris der Zeck View User's Garage Drives: '05 Audi A4 1.8t quattro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 5,231	They never hold a balance, and usually vibrate worse than no weight at all any reason you were looking into this? Long as you match mount your tires, and balance on a quality balancer you are fine __________________

10-14-2010, 08:33 PM	#4
firebob Drives: 09 yaris Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road Posts: 236	There have been a few different types of ceramic beads that have been used in semis over the years and tons of people swear by them for the larger tires. In the last few years the ceramic beads have made there way into motor cycle wheels and cars. The key issue with adding the beads is using the right amount of beads for the tire size. If the right amount is not added then there will be issues. All liquids change viscosity with temp. I don’t know much about using an antifreeze type liquid in tires except on farms where they use it to change the weight of the tractor. The last few sets of tires I have bought I have had ceramic balancing beads. __________________ 09, 3 door lift back, auto. I live on the road with my wife. We travel as needed for our work and drive up to 4,500 miles in a bad week.

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10-14-2010, 09:51 PM	#5
jonismyname Drives: 08 liftback 5spd Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: adirondacks, ny Posts: 220	i use dyna beads in my motorcycle tires. if i could mount car tires at home, i would use dyna beads in those too. balance machines are questionable in some shops, so if you don't know what to look for or what to expect your results may vary. and balancers won't account for plugs and missing weights down the road. yari' have much easier lives than my bike and truck, but if it works reliably then it works...

10-14-2010, 10:12 PM	#6
severous01 Drives: 2008 yaris, stripped, red Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SE Texas Posts: 977	fluid dynamics says it's going to move the furthest away from center...no matter the balance of the wheel. so, if the out of balance section is vibrating and the wheel is moving in an eliptical manner, the liquid or free moving parts will migrate to the furthest point....hence making balance worse. i saw a bmw with these in there...they said they'd had the balance done about a week before and they couldnt take it any more. so, we stuck weights on it and perfect balance. happy customer. i wont use the liquids or bb's in mine. too much to worry about.