question for those with audio systems

[mastaofdisasta]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

like what is it about your personalities that makes you think everyone else wants to hear your crappy ass music? really i don't get it. what are you trying to prove? i mean for god's sake your car sounds like its about to rattle itself apart. does that not seem somewhat excessive?

and just so everyone understands i don't mean those audiophiles that have upgraded their systems so that they sound more clear and crisp. i don't mean you guys. i understand wanting to have better quality. what i don't understand however is the need to be a rolling radio station. yes i get it ur super... gangsta, rockin, country... or whatever. now turn it down. nobody cares but you.

gtfo my yaris world. dont bash, dont hate, dont talk.

[frownonfun]

Originally Posted by mastaofdisasta

gtfo my yaris world. dont bash, dont hate, dont talk.

interesting point. i'll definitely mull that over.

[mr. poopyhead]

the same reason why people try to get 200W of power out of their crappy ipod earbuds...

if all i hear is distortion from 20ft away, then you're an idiot... i hope they go deaf...

[IsLNdbOi]

He has a point. What makes you think others want to listen to your music? Common courtesy, people.

[ChinoCharles]

Posts deleted, OP PMed. Sorry about that folks, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[frownonfun]

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

Posts deleted, OP PMed. Sorry about that folks, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

so who got a PM? what did i miss? dang this blasted day job, i always miss the drama.

[IsLNdbOi]

I weep for the future of the country and of the English language.

[cali yaris]

^ I think there is a mistake with your syntax

but anyways....

Then I took the car in and helped tune it...now I hear he can't drive it anymore. Guess why?

I'm sure you made a 1000% improvement. I have read your posts and have been impressed with your knowledge of mobile audio. Like I said, it's not my thing; at least I know better than to fiddle with the knobs.

[IsLNdbOi]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

^ I think there is a mistake with your syntax

but anyways....


I'm sure you made a 1000% improvement. I have read your posts and have been impressed with your knowledge of mobile audio. Like I said, it's not my thing; at least I know better than to fiddle with the knobs.

Even if there is a grammatical error, it's still not as bad as some of the posts I read around here everyday.

[cali yaris]

^ that's for sure... umm... fo sho!

[sqcomp]

I didn't improve it 1000%. I put it back to where the customer wanted it before he screwed it up.

The car needs a bit more tweaking, it could use a layer of Ensolite over the entire car, the two way CXS64 needs a midrange and needs to go to an active crossover setup. The soundstage is a bit low even with the tweeters in the a pillar. The aiming of the tweeters (and the mid bass as well) should be slightly different. Time alignment would help as well...

Still for most listeners, it is a VERY nice soundsystem. At this point, it's better that mine...since I'm stock...my equipment is gathering in a cubby whole at the shop.

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by camelll

Obviously it was not where he wanted it if he screwed it up messing with it.
.

Dude doesn't understand where it was... or where he wanted it... Dude only knows relative comparisons like "I want more".

when it comes to almost anything.... and especially audio equipment...
People don't mean to mess stuff up, they just get greedy and want more and more, and don't realize what they are doing.

dude wanted a volume knob that went to infinity, tried to "tweak it" so he could get that, but had no understanding of waves (electronic signals) and probably just as little knowledge on acoustics. Classic story, see it in most cars fitted with dual 12's. (yes that's a stereotype.... one that exists for a reason)

Simply put, people are really ignorant, (usually by choice). I have all the sympathy in the world for people who are not educated, but none for those who CHOSE to be ignorant.

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

like what is it about your personalities that makes you think everyone else wants to hear your crappy ass music? really i don't get it. what are you trying to prove? i mean for god's sake your car sounds like its about to rattle itself apart. does that not seem somewhat excessive?

and just so everyone understands i don't mean those audiophiles that have upgraded their systems so that they sound more clear and crisp. i don't mean you guys. i understand wanting to have better quality. what i don't understand however is the need to be a rolling radio station. yes i get it ur super... gangsta, rockin, country... or whatever. now turn it down. nobody cares but you.

completely understand why you are ranting.... but don't think coming into this forum to post what you did is really the proper way to go about venting. I could do the same thing in the "performance" section of this forum and complain about many peoples exhaust setups. Would end up pissing off 90% of the people in that part of the forum too... and solving squat.

Comes off very aggressive.

[frownonfun]

Originally Posted by talnlnky

completely understand why you are ranting.... but don't think coming into this forum to post what you did is really the proper way to go about venting. I could do the same thing in the "performance" section of this forum and complain about many peoples exhaust setups. Would end up pissing off 90% of the people in that part of the forum too... and solving squat.

Comes off very aggressive.

yeah i think passive aggressive is an accurate description of the behavior i'm exhibiting by pointlessly venting about something on an internet forum instead of addressing the problem directly. but oh well. no one every said venting made sense. it just makes you feel better to get it out sometimes.

[sqcomp]

Well, after that little message from you camelll...I suppose I wouldn't want to do any work on your vehicle just as much as you wouldn't want me to. BUT you wouldn't know what shop I'm at and you probably wouldn't come to it because it's not a big box retailer. The difference is that if you DID come in to the shop REGARDLESS of what I thought about you personally, I can separate my feelings about you from the job you pay me to do. My first install was on a 1996 Dodge Viper which was owned by an adult film movie producer. Yeah he was a bit slimy, but in the end, he had the system he asked for, it was installed very well, AND it came in below the quoted price.

The shop does work for this drunk rep because he pays us to...because the installers and owners are very VERY good. I won't speak for my work because I simply don't have to justify my work to you.

Your speculations however are a little off the mark. He messed with his system because he thought he might get better ambiance, linear sounstage presence, and better tonality. Well, he didn't get it in the way he thought he could and he didn't know how to get back to ground zero. This client also only REALLY knows about the subjective numbers and abilities of his line. If there are special "tricks" (techniques) that require thought or foreknowlege...he cannot operate effectively. I won't give this rep any free work because at that point (being a salesman) he'll expect my labor to be free simply because the shop buys the product he reps. Uhhh...nope, there will be other reps and I can almost guarantee that they won't be as misguided as he is at his age. To finish the thought, what would cure his setup of it's ills would be, like I mentioned, a midrange up in the a pillar, slight repositioning of his tweeters and the forementioned midrange, an active crossover setup, a better EQ (not in the source unit), and some time alignment.

Now, the moment my I am content with my setup...this means I loose. I cannot afford complacency. I am always looking to improve through whatever means don't break the IASCA SQ rules. The difference between myself and the drunk rep is that I am looking and planning beyond/outside the box so to speak...the rep isn't able to do his own work and/or has outdated ideas that I know do not work in the application he wants.

Whether you respect what I say about audio or not makes no difference to me. What I bring to the table is a good bit of experience and practical knowlege. I'll never see you in the IASCA SQ lanes and you'll never pay attention to good advice that I give. I think it's a good deal.

I'm glad to recieve the insinuation that you don't have any negative thoughts about anyone that works or is a client in your field. You must be hard pressed to cover your angelic wings up!

...yeah...

I can pretty much be assured you're a hypocrite on that last point. At least I don't hide my scorn for a drunk industry rep who could get lost trying to find his way out of a wet paper bag over his head. To reinforce my thoughts on this subject, tell me my good fellow, where did you see me complain about any other clients on this post?

Yes, I do rail on some of the competitors for sloppy work. Taln will attest to that, I railed on Car Toys in general when one of his good friends works for the company. A lot of times clients like to shop the competition and then end up coming back because they got screwed, either by faulty equipment or a very suspect install. Guess what? I CAN rail on it because I see the end results coming to me.

[MadMax]

Anyhow, back to the original topic...

I gotta turn my music up real loud to listen to it! Why, because I am frigging deaf from listening to loud music when I was younger!

Seriously, all it takes is a little "situational awareness" if you driving around with your music up load. It is worse in an open Jeep because 1) everyone can hear your music because there is nothing containing it, and 2) the stereos on my Jeeps are crap!

So, when I am driving down the road I keep the volume up a bit; but in traffic I turn it down (usually). Sure, sometimes I "share" my ZZ Top or AC/DC with others; but if I notice someone being bothered by it I turn it down. Trust me, it is easy to tell from their dirty looks!

And therein lies the problem with these thump-thump chumps and their bass monster stereos, they derive obvious pleasure from their annoyance of others! They somehow think their distorted music is impressive, but I would expect anyone other than a pre-pubescent teenager thinks it is annoying. Same holds true for those embarrassing fart cans that are so prevalent on ricers, they are not performance enhancing and if anything are detrimental to the engine. But it is funny to hear one wind up (sounds like a bee in a coffee can) and the car is still not going anywhere fast! I occasionally succumb to my "inner teenager" when I am in the Jeep and show them how fast the Wrangler's 4.0L I6 really is, just to embarrass the runny-nosed punks a bit. But that usually costs me $5 in gas to do so....

Cheers! M2

[sqcomp]

...The day you could knock me anywhere would be a cold day in hell. Flexibility is an attribute I have fun with. I work very well in any control point. Don't worry; you don't know what that means. Get to Bettendorf and you MAY have an inkling...

As for the 300c it's a nice show car. I don't see any pics of any SPL championships or IASCA, USACI, or MECA championship trophies by that 300c. You won't show me any either. It's a vehicle made for show. Too bad the shop doesn't have a website...

I really do appreciate the 300c BUUUUT it's not your work or your car. Again, I won't see you standing in the SQ lanes.

This is the last shop that I came from:

http://www.oregonsoundchoice.com/

Call it if you want, ask for Rich Clapp (the owner). If you'd like, ask him if Jim H. ever worked with him. A lot of our clients do not wish to be placed at least by name in the public's eye. As backwards as you might think I am, I won't give them up to satisfy any curiosity. There are some 2008 installs he may have up that I don't have some installation or participation in...

That is because the new shop has been started.

Personally I couldn't care less what products you use, It's not the products I'm dogging. It's the person. The ID rep is a lush, pure and simple. I don't enjoy dealing with salespeople who can't control themselves. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that.

...The bassheads can spontaneously combust after 10pm and before 8am. How's that for a middle ground? My previous statement stands. To reiterate, I can separate my personal feelings from the work I do. I'm glad to read that you are indeed angelic and without ANY negative sentiment whatsoever. I live in reality though. Everyone does indeed make mistakes...but three times? Three times this guy has put himself behind the wheel of a deadly weapon? That does literally in DEED make him a scum. Sorry to keep it so real. If he had killed or injured you or one of your friends, family...whatever, you might understand my side. Maybe that's how you live, in a world that everything is perfect. People that don't take responsibility for their own actions need a twist to realign their head squarely.

To show that I'm not a total hater on the bassheads, pay attention to this forum over the next couple months...you'll understand.

[Spades]

to get this back on the original topic...my system sounds nice. I don't crank it after dark or when going through residential areas. I don't have it loud anywhere I am worried about someone hearing it and breaking into the car to steal my goodies.

I DO crank it when I show it off to people. I DO crank it when I am cruising on a back road or the highway. I DO crank it when some POS Honda rolls up behind me playing ghetto rap through a blown 10".

oh yeah, and I DO crank it when someone tells me I need to turn it down. go ahead and flip me off...I have earplugs in my center consol...I will make your rear view mirror shake...