Toyota Recalls

[127.0.0.1]

Originally Posted by RedRide

This is not a media or US government driven issue!
Over 56 people were killed due to a design defefect in gas pedals.

Toyota knew about this some time ago and slowly started to phase them out.
Even though people were getting killed, Toyota was still draging ther feet over this due to economic reasons.

Howver, the crap hit the fan and they are now saying they are sorry which is so much PR and damage control resulting from corporate greed.

Yeah, I have two Toyotas and like boh of them but I have lost respect for Toyota as a corporation.

Dear Mr. Shortsighted:

you really need to examine the statistics of all automotive related deaths. you would lose respect for EVERY auto manufacturer.

[markitect]

Also the number of deaths 'linked' to the recall have suddenly doubled in the last month, that's either a really good cover up on Toyota's part, or really bad number padding on the US government's part.

[Kongo-Otto]

My gas pedal is being modified right now. I am getting my car back at 6 PM here. The mechanic told me he never heard of any accident related to this "problem" in Germany.

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

My gas pedal is being modified right now. I am getting my car back at 6 PM here. The mechanic told me he never heard of any accident related to this "problem" in Germany.

That may well be that toyata used the pedal design in Germany that did not have problems . It should be understood the the two pedals are interchangeable.

[RedRide]

Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1

Dear Mr. Shortsighted:

you really need to examine the statistics of all automotive related deaths. you would lose respect for EVERY auto manufacturer.

That is a nonsensica statement

You need to get the facts before you appear too ignorant.

Too many Toyota fanboys are comming out of the woodwork and putting Toyota on a pedestal oblivious to the fact that Toyota is a corporation driven largely by greed just like any other corporation.

[127.0.0.1]

Originally Posted by RedRide

That is a nonsensica statement

You need to get the facts before you appear too ignorant.

Too many Toyota fanboys are comming out of the woodwork and putting Toyota on a pedestal oblivious to the fact that Toyota is a corporation driven largely by greed just like any other corporation.

the bottom line is: you put an idiot in a car, they will find a way to kill themselves or others.

Toyota is the best at making cars that last, and start up and work, with minimal downtime.

I never said anything about Toyota not being a corporation dirven by profits. That is not relevant whatsoever. name one well-known corporation that is not driven by profit. it doesn't matter.

all global auto manufacturers have had cars with defects that have killed people. all of them. all of them have had recalls.

fact remains, if you want a car that will most likely start every time, and with sub-assemblies that do not break for no apparent reason... Toyota is, and will remain, the best bang for your buck. They are #1 for a reason...they do not produce crap as a rule. errors happen yes. errors happen everywhere.

it is probability. and the 'probability' of 'problems' with Toyota is in favor of the Toyota owner.

[RedRide]

Did I not say that I do like my two Toyotas?

[fmicle]

So 56 people died because of pedal related problems in Toyota. 21,000 people die every year in the US in car crashes... Just to put things in perspective. Driving a car is a dangerous thing...

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by fmicle

So 56 people died because of pedal related problems in Toyota. 21,000 people die every year in the US in car crashes... Just to put things in perspective

The vast majority of spontaneous acceleration complaints turn out to be, upon investigation, the driver panicking and stomping the wrong pedal. That said, all auto manufacturers have spontaneous acceleration complaints. Toyota does, according to one source, currently have the highest incidence, at 12 per 312,000 vehicles produced. But Ford has 8. And the others currently have lower but similar numbers. Why 12 per 312,000 is a crisis warranting Congressional investigation, while 8 per 312,000 is no problem at all, is left as an exercise for the reader. Of course, another data source puts Volkswagen's incidence far higher than anyone else's, including Toyota..

Here are the facts:

http://tinyurl.com/ybbjowr

http://tinyurl.com/ydknwme

I often find myself embarrassed of, and even despising my native country these days. But then historically, superpowers in decline have always been this way, going all the way back to 4th century Rome.

-Steve

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

The vast majority of spontaneous acceleration complaints turn out to be, upon investigation, the driver panicking and stomping the wrong pedal. That said, all auto manufacturers have spontaneous acceleration complaints. Toyota does, according to one source, currently have the highest incidence, at 12 per 312,000 vehicles produced. But Ford has 8. And the others currently have lower but similar numbers. Why 12 per 312,000 is a crisis warranting Congressional investigation, while 8 per 312,000 is no problem at all, is left as an exercise for the reader. Of course, another data source puts Volkswagen's incidence far higher than anyone else's, including Toyota..

Here are the facts:

http://tinyurl.com/ybbjowr

http://tinyurl.com/ydknwme

I often find myself embarrassed of, and even despising my native country these days. But then historically, superpowers in decline have always been this way, going all the way back to 4th century Rome.

-Steve

Excellent info, thanks

How much you want to bet that the media will never reports the facts?

They always go after the biggest. Just like McDonald's is the only one to blame for selling junk food. ALL restaurants serve junk food!! But McDonald's is the biggest so past attacks have always been on them while Burger King, Wendy's, ect. were left alone.

[jclo3313]

thanks sbergman27

[Hershey]

that's cold .

[why?]

but true. you could easily blame our government and how easy it is to get a license in this country. If you needed $5,000 or more and a few years of drivers ed to get a license, stupid crap like that would not happen. C&D did an article that basically showed how even with the engine at full roar, stepping on the brakes will stop the car, and not in that much further a distance than without the engine going crazy.

Driving is taken far too lightly in this country, and that is our biggest problem.

[Hershey]

blame it on no student left behind . Seen where drivers ed is becoming a thing of the past in schools today . I enjoyed it back in the 70's .

[seanele]

..couple of years ago, people at my work said yaris is the worst of all Toyota product for USA.
last week, one of them asking info of the dealer who sold the yaris to me, plan to buy one for her kid.

PS: i still think Toyota owe USA a lot of explanation!

[Kal-El]

Originally Posted by seanele

..couple of years ago, people at my work said yaris is the worst of all Toyota product for USA.
last week, one of them asking info of the dealer who sold the yaris to me, plan to buy one for her kid.

PS: i still think Toyota owe USA a lot of explanation!

What explanation? About unintended acceleration? Toyota is average for complaints regarding unintended acceleration. Companies such as VW have a much higher complaint rate but the media doesn't go after them because they're small. Toyota is expected to be perfect and now something may be wrong and there's a firestorm.

[why?]

this media firestorm has been created to hurt toyota in the us, while allowing GM and Chrysler to capitalize and try to actually sell a few vehicles.

[STC]

Originally Posted by why?

this media firestorm has been created to hurt toyota in the us, while allowing GM and Chrysler to capitalize and try to actually sell a few vehicles.

Yes why?!

Hmm? Probably because GM did not do well in the Cash-for-Clunkers program, while Toyota and others shined?

Follow the money! It's all about the money, unfortunately...