Engine mods - why bother?

[ChinoCharles]

Hmm... engine mods, why bother.

Why?

2200 FREEKIN POUNDS!!!!! Thats why.

[soros151]

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

Hmm... engine mods, why bother.

Why?

2200 FREEKIN POUNDS!!!!! Thats why.

I get you don't worry, thats why the Yaris is one of the choices
of tuning. So we can

[TRD_Yaris]

um..why use 1zz transmission when the 2ZZ 6 speed bolts up, but VERY CUSTOM, PROTOTYPE MOTOR MOUNTS will not be released for awhile. Don't worry people, as soon as I steal the T Sport and remove the motor mounts and wiring harnesses for mass production WE ARE IN BUSINESS

[Chaad32]

A 6 speed Yaris.....hmm....I'm in.

[soros151]

There seems to be an issue with taking a curb with the weight of the 2ZZ, but maybe I'm over reacting, nothing that can't be cured with a set of coilovers and some swaybars.

[weaponrcamry]

why would you want a 6 speed in the yaris anyway? And even if you swap the 2zz into the yaris, you would have a decent a mount of fabrication. Plus the angle of the motor woulnd't look good either.
If you want a turbo setup, where would it go? But under the car where the x-haust is. Hmm another $5000 of custom work?

I mean its a great idea, but, their are better options. Rebuild the engine, turbo it, or swap in the cheaper 1zz-fe. Many, many aftermarket support. Probably half the cost of the 2zz swap, unless you know what your doing or you have about $10,000-$15,000K to spare. I mean if you want to be like a honda with a k20a into a hatch with the 6 speed LOL. But you gotta think, just because someone done the swap overseas or so, would it be able to pass the vision check of the emissions, what if you get pulled over? You should probably should wait within a year or so until you have proof of the swap and it is legal to do so. But otherwise a waste of money.

[heylookitsjames]

As long as the 2ZZ-GE was manufactured the same year or newer than the yaris, and USDM, it could be legally swapped in. I think that limits it to the corolla XRS motor.

[soros151]

Originally Posted by weaponrcamry

why would you want a 6 speed in the yaris anyway? And even if you swap the 2zz into the yaris, you would have a decent a mount of fabrication. Plus the angle of the motor woulnd't look good either.
If you want a turbo setup, where would it go? But under the car where the x-haust is. Hmm another $5000 of custom work?

I mean its a great idea, but, their are better options. Rebuild the engine, turbo it, or swap in the cheaper 1zz-fe. Many, many aftermarket support. Probably half the cost of the 2zz swap, unless you know what your doing or you have about $10,000-$15,000K to spare. I mean if you want to be like a honda with a k20a into a hatch with the 6 speed LOL. But you gotta think, just because someone done the swap overseas or so, would it be able to pass the vision check of the emissions, what if you get pulled over? You should probably should wait within a year or so until you have proof of the swap and it is legal to do so. But otherwise a waste of money.

Just to get with a turbo kit with the 1NZ would be more than the cost of the 2ZZ. Of course you would have a big amount of fabrication, thats why it is called a project. The angle of the motor wouldn't look good?

Does that look bad to you?
I don't need a turbo for a Yaris with a 2ZZ, it already would do 13.4 with just the swap, add a complete combo of Intake, Custom header and a complete exhaust and you could see some gains there. And about the legality of the swap the last one who talk about it was right, you only need a motor of the same year or futher up.

[weaponrcamry]

No it doesnt look that bad, decent swap I would say :). I am a going to do this project within a year or so, I am currently discussing this with one of my friends that work at a local performance shop. But anyway, Turboing the 1nz-fe will cost more than a 2zz swap? I dont think so. More custom work = more $$$ especially a good engine to find and to add the tranny?. Like I said with all that money you can just rebuild the internals or just dump a 1zz in it. Alot of aftermarket support for that engine, since it's in the mr-s. But if you have the money, and time go for it.

[soros151]

Okay, still it would have more sense to work on a 2ZZ than in a 1NZ, cause the 2ZZ has more power potential with less money in the long run. All the money you would use to squeeze any oz. of hp from the 1NZ would be better off just to get a very GOOD N/A motor into this chassis. It may not a be a complete Yaris in our hearts but it would beat the crap out of almost anything. A next serious step once you get this motor, would be to stiffen the chassis a bit more and use good suspension parts to go up to par with the 2ZZ.

[TRD_Yaris]

Originally Posted by weaponrcamry

why would you want a 6 speed in the yaris anyway? And even if you swap the 2zz into the yaris, you would have a decent a mount of fabrication. Plus the angle of the motor woulnd't look good either.
If you want a turbo setup, where would it go? But under the car where the x-haust is. Hmm another $5000 of custom work?

I mean its a great idea, but, their are better options. Rebuild the engine, turbo it, or swap in the cheaper 1zz-fe. Many, many aftermarket support. Probably half the cost of the 2zz swap, unless you know what your doing or you have about $10,000-$15,000K to spare. I mean if you want to be like a honda with a k20a into a hatch with the 6 speed LOL. But you gotta think, just because someone done the swap overseas or so, would it be able to pass the vision check of the emissions, what if you get pulled over? You should probably should wait within a year or so until you have proof of the swap and it is legal to do so. But otherwise a waste of money.

Umm..why would i want a 6 speed umm..i can think of 1 reasonl..that extra gear, which means that you can have EVEN SHORTER gearing and still have a 6th gear for highway driving (basically, it's taken AWAY the one disadvantage of a short-geared 5 speed). Also, 2ZZGE 6speed trannies (USUALLY) have LSDifferential, so you'd save money in a 2ZZGE swap as opposed to "SOUPING" up the 1NZFE's scrawny 5 speed with Open Differential. Last I checked, Nismo 1.5 way units are $650 +++$500 to install!!
As far as fabrication, that won't be an issue if the YARIS T SPORT becomes an official production car. Then it will be as simple as getting a Toyota OEM part NUMBER and ordering them sumbitches from Carson Toyota (who can IMPORT ANYTHING JDM,TOYOTA OEM OR NOT).

1ZZFE?? if you're gonna spend the money on "ZZ" series motor mounts..why get a 133 hp motor for $1700 (engine/5speed) when you could spend an extra $1000 and have a 180hp+ performance engine/6 speed/ LSDifferential???!?!Last i checked (when I helped with 2ZZGE into MR2 Spyder which had stock 1ZZFE FF setup), a 2ZZGE full swap costs right at $2700 from VERY RELIABLE JDM importers. The power band for 11.5:1 Natural Aspiration is amazing in a car that weighs less than a ton!!

Or, you could go with a custom turbo kit, hopefully HASS will build a kit for 'em..though it won't happen without an online "petition" to prove that their would be a market for Yaris Turbo kits (basically, im-farking-possible.)

Or, you could import a JDM 1NZFTE clip and do a proper Turbo swap..though most people would opt to do a turbo kit on the stock motor due to the INTIMIDATION OF PULLING A MOTOR (=wussies)!! Which means you'll likely go the "easy" route and just purchase all the "bolt on" turbo parts from the 1NZFE just to make it fit without regards to things like upgraded fuel injectors, oil pumps and coolers, etc. that will keep the engine running for more than 1000 miles...

Expensive is the tuner scene. I don't think anyone here has sat down and really put together REALISTIC costs of full end race kits. And to be honest, i don't have any more concern than simple curiosity of doing something new. They told me i couldn't get a SUPRA TWIN TURBO setup into my Lexus, but that doesn't mean it was hard MUCH LESS cost effective. The EXPENSIVE ENGINE SWAPS are the one's that people buy in BULK, like the INTEGRA engines (for civics), SR20DET (JDM Nissan Turbo engine for USDM 240SXs). The 2ZZGE and 1NZFTE don't have any real demand market, meaning you could POTENTIALLY snag them FOR CHEAP!!

but, it's not fair to say that it would cost $5000 in fabrication. Only rich kids pay people to do their custom fabrication R&D. I will pay someone to do VERY SKILLED LABOR, but only after i measure and plan everything out. I've got 2 Nissan S13's sitting in my driveway with SR20DET engine swaps, I didn't spend more than $2100 on either, and I've had offers upwards of $6000 for each. Doing the mental work and research is 80% of the time you will spend tuning!! If not, you're just a poser in the scene. Just like those rich guys who go to car shows in Lamborghinis, Ferraris, etc. and can't tell you more about the car than what's in the sales brochure!!!! Spending cash is NOT what the scene is about...


oh, as far as a K20A with 6 speed transmission from 2005+ JDM Honda Integra Type R into a Civic goes, don't knock it until you try it. Currently it's the FASTEST CAR SCCA and NASA have ever scene (referring to the yellow EG civic that's owning everything in it's path). And, you COULD fully assemble one for less than $7000 (including car) if you are patient and resourceful (on ebay, craigslist, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.). The K20A is about $6000 for the full swap, and thankfully motor mounts/wiring harnesses have become pretty cheap now that many companies have started making them. At first, Hasport was charging well over $1000 just for the motor mounts. but then again, they put A LOT of R&D into those M.Mounts, so it was justified. Now, you can pick up a set for about $300. go figure.

$7000 for a vehicle that WILL OWN nearly everything short of Hayabusas/ZX-14s on the streets WHILE MAINTAINING STOCK HONDA RELIABILITY. Or would it be better to spend $35000 on an STi because it requires no custom work....but i digress...

[bulldogs2k]

that would be a fun ride^^^

[heylookitsjames]

damn, that's pretty clean. Any info on that swap? looks like it's in Europe...

[soros151]

Tried to look for more info, but the company who did it in the UK, closed... so no website no nothing. :(

[soros151]

I agree with you on EVERYTHING. You could easily see a car that does mid 13's all night long and costed you a Max of let's say $20,000 or on the other hand buy and EVO and pay $35,000 just to own from factory, which for me is a little dull and boring.

[weaponrcamry]

Yea it would be good to swap the 6-speed during highway use but not at a drag strip or so. Why? Because you wont even see 6th gear. Most people will be in 4th or 5th. Also, most people would be on a budget, so the 1zz would be the most choice. and the most reliabilty. The 2zz would be a hell of a all motor, but not worth turboing. Those engines are known to blow up especially if you over rev them. I know most people will over rev to see how high the rpm's go, and dam sure they wont go over 10,000 rpm with reliability. The 2zz is not a honda engine... and doesnt have the reliablity to go that high. One other thing if you turbo the 2zz it will be at a mild boost . While the 1zz will handle MORE BOOST. Also on the matrix xrs, and the corolla xrs toyota lowered their redline so they wont blow the FuDge up.. Anyway the 1zz is alot stronger than the 2zz. The 1zz has been around longer that 2zz. And can handle more boost than the 2zz in stock form. More torque for the 1zz than 2zz also. Bottom line 2zz-for freeway/highway driving and 1zz-for drag strip racing. :?????????????? As a know fact that has been used for years, more money more problems............ And you will burn

[TRD_Yaris]

Originally Posted by soros151

I agree with you on EVERYTHING. You could easily see a car that does mid 13's all night long and costed you a Max of let's say $20,000 or on the other hand buy and EVO and pay $35,000 just to own from factory, which for me is a little dull and boring.

actually, a CRX with stock K20A and KPRO tuning ran an 11.3 FOR IT's FIRST RACE!!! and this is a BONE STOCK MOTOR!!! it is capable of sub-10's with more R&D and a few tweaks to the K20A. Pac Man's white/black EF ownz.

[Drummerdawgmr-s]

the 2zz's make no tq... the stock 2zz dont make any more tq than the 1zz does which is a downside in my eyes...i know were messing with high reving small motors but i would still like a decent balance....the 1zz has been boosted to 15 psi (around 350hp) before it actually blew and that on a completely stock motor plus hass turbo kit....and the stock hass stg 2 kit that boost 8 psi at 266rwhp/240tq...they have a kit for the 2zz mr-s but i dont remember the specs on it...i belive just testing/maxing it out it was like 350 hp and like 230 tq which is still alot but i like a better balance than that which the 1zz gives