Scion XB 1NZ-FE Turbo build

[cali yaris]

^ read the thread. You've already said you can't answer them and don't want to speculate, which is fine.

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

^ read the thread. You've already said you can't answer them and don't want to speculate, which is fine.

THX for answering my 2 question so clearly......

[cali yaris]

You're welcome!

[Yoda]

Xb has turned ghost....

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Xb has turned ghost....

I would too considering the hostility in this thread....

[xbgod]

No ghost, just out having a little fun and had to fix an exhaust leak.

I see I missed alot in past few days, holy-crap.

Remember I don't use VVTI so that has some play in what your reading. Also the XB starts to fall on it face at around 5000-5200 RPM. Paul at Dezod can even tell you this. It's just the way it is. As far as being lean My car likes it there. It dosen't detonate and pulls like a beast. More than likely because of my 107 octane and M1 meth.

All is well so I hope this helps, if not sorry..........I'm running'em down and enjoying the car.

You guys can keep running your own senarios and speculation, it happens especially on forums.

Thanks to all that have followed me.

XBG

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by xbgod

No ghost, just out having a little fun and had to fix an exhaust leak.

I see I missed alot in past few days, holy-crap.

Remember I don't use VVTI so that has some play in what your reading. Also the XB starts to fall on it face at around 5000-5200 RPM. Paul at Dezod can even tell you this. It's just the way it is. As far as being lean My car likes it there. It dosen't detonate and pulls like a beast. More than likely because of my 107 octane and M1 meth.

All is well so I hope this helps, if not sorry..........I'm running'em down and enjoying the car.

You guys can keep running your own senarios and speculation, it happens especially on forums.

Thanks to all that have followed me.

XBG

Well there you go, 1 reason (the biggest) for the difference in HP is that he is NOT using the VVTI. So in essence you cant compare a NA dyno that uses VVTI to his....

[H3LlIoN]

I'm gonna chime in...I don't think any of the heavy 1nz hitters are running VVT-I, AFAIK, mostly because of A) Some standalones don't offer control modules yet (I can vouch for that) and B) from earlier speculation in this same thread by Aras and others, at a certain point it becomes a hindrance as opposed to a power builder. (Which doesn't make sense to me, but whatever...I don't have a 350hp 1nz to play with and speak from experience.)

Also, I'm currently picking my nose and drinking a miller light. I may or may not have already consumed a number of long island iced teas.

[H3LlIoN]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

Well there you go, 1 reason (the biggest) for the difference in HP is that he is NOT using the VVTI. So in essence you cant compare a NA dyno that uses VVTI to his....

And in regards to this, I highly doubt that Garm is comparing an NA dyno to Aras'....I think he's more comparing his non-vvt-i turbo set up.

[xnamerxx]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

Well there you go, 1 reason (the biggest) for the difference in HP is that he is NOT using the VVTI. So in essence you cant compare a NA dyno that uses VVTI to his....

Explain to me how this matters, hes not running a stock cam iirc and not only that he doesn't have a stock intake and why dont his torque numbers drop sharply like they would if he fell out of the stock cams torque band. Not only that doesnt Garm use stock cams with vvti turned off.

I wont say im a expert at tuning but what im seeing on his dyno sheet is very obvious to whats going on. Im not saying maxing the turbo out is bad just saying he did that and his dyno proves it.

As for running lean its not detonation you need to worry about its going to be scuffing pistons and cracking rings and ringlands and pre-ignition.

[Parmas]

I really don't understand this post and I hope that XBgod can respond clearly here

Originally Posted by xbgod

Also the XB starts to fall on it face at around 5000-5200 RPM. Paul at Dezod can even tell you this.

What do you mean by fall on its face?

It's just the way it is.

The way it is? I really don't know what do you mean?

As far as being lean My car likes it there. It dosen't detonate and pulls like a beast. More than likely because of my 107 octane and M1 meth.

Your car likes it there? I never heard of an XB talking maybe you really are an XBgod

All is well so I hope this helps, if not sorry..........I'm running'em down and enjoying the car.

I hope you will still enjoy your car really, but no one said running lean will selfdestruct immidately but in time it happens and I hope you want cry on this forum if it happens since we warned you

XBG

[cali yaris]

All I did was ask two questions. (1. Why does it stop making power at 5200, and why was it tuned that lean). I was called a hater and now hostile. I haven't said a critical thing about the build or the tune. Lame.

Also the XB starts to fall on it face at around 5000-5200 RPM.

I asked why, it was just a question. Art's didn't (280whp). Mine doesn't (357 whp). So, that question remains unanswered. "That's just the way it is" is not a useful answer.

The second question really belongs with the tuner, as he seems to be the only one who can answer it. "It likes it there" is great to hear, but again is not a useful answer IMO.

xbgod, you got great numbers. (I already said that). If you're not curious about the why of these things, that's fine, it's your project of course!

[H3LlIoN]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

All I did was ask two questions. (1. Why does it stop making power at 5200, and why was it tuned that lean). I was called a hater and now hostile. I haven't said a critical thing about the build or the tune. Lame.



I asked why, it was just a question. Art's didn't (280whp). Mine doesn't (357 whp). So, that question remains unanswered. "That's just the way it is" is not a useful answer.

The second question really belongs with the tuner, as he seems to be the only one who can answer it. "It likes it there" is great to hear, but again is not a useful answer IMO.

xbgod, you got great numbers. (I already said that). If you're not curious about the why of these things, that's fine, it's your project of course!

Hater.

[xbgod]

Garm, your no hater. I still love you...........In a non-gay way!

My tunnner "Rolo" is coming over to the shop on my side of the bay for a tweak on my ride for street driving. Setting it up as the way I drive and not just a heated pull on the dyno.

XBG

[H3LlIoN]

Originally Posted by xbgod

Garm, your no hater. I still love you...........In a non-gay way!

The actual correct terminology is "no homo."

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

All I did was ask two questions. (1. Why does it stop making power at 5200, and why was it tuned that lean). I was called a hater and now hostile. I haven't said a critical thing about the build or the tune. Lame.
I asked why, it was just a question. Art's didn't (280whp). Mine doesn't (357 whp). So, that question remains unanswered. "That's just the way it is" is not a useful answer.

The second question really belongs with the tuner, as he seems to be the only one who can answer it. "It likes it there" is great to hear, but again is not a useful answer IMO.

xbgod, you got great numbers. (I already said that). If you're not curious about the why of these things, that's fine, it's your project of course!

You assumed I was calling you hostile, I was not referring to you at all.

[cdydjded]

defensive and obtuse, wow. And on that note Im done........

[H3LlIoN]

No, no, no. You got it all wrong.

You're supposed to say "What? What did you call me"

and then I'm supposed to post "Obtuse. Is it deliberate?"

And then you're up again with "Son, you're forgetting yourself."

and we go back and forth like that for a while, and I end up getting a bunch of time in solitary.