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01-13-2019, 02:45 PM | #1 |
Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Waterford Ontario
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Transmission swap 05 Echo
I've searched this every way I can imagine, seen it asked a number of times, but never seen an answer.
Is an Xa/Xb trans a direct bolt in for the Echo? I'm not a fan of the 3.5 final drive in the Echo. I know there are other FD options, and would probably prefer a 4.1 but the 4.3 would probably be fine. If it doesn't work out (though I think it will) I would still have my stock trans to swap final drives from something else. |
01-14-2019, 01:26 PM | #2 |
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Drives: '05 6-Spd Vitz RS Join Date: Oct 2008
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yes they are
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01-14-2019, 10:38 PM | #3 |
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Direct swap
Will make commuting at highway speeds terrible
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01-16-2019, 08:14 AM | #4 |
Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Waterford Ontario
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Thanks guys.
I was pretty sure but I read that there were some differences between the years like mounting brackets, etc. and saw no definitive answer. I will grab one. I know some people don't like the higher RPM's but it doesn't bother me and my commute is 100% secondary and country roads so I don't think it's going to be a problem. It looks like it should be about 3100 RPM at 100 km/hr which, to me, is about right for a car like this. When I was commuting into the GTA and driving the Suzuki's one of the first things I would do is to swap in a 4.39 gear from a later 3cyl. car so at about 120 km/hr I was revving ~4000RPM and I was ok with that. |
01-16-2019, 09:37 AM | #5 |
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I used to drive Waterloo-London in the #wrecho and appreciated the lower final drive @125kph. But I mean the car interior is already loud...what’s another 400rpm when you’re alone?
I just took the family up to traverse city, mi in the #wrecho last weekend and found it pretty loud to drive 2.5h with other people
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01-16-2019, 10:00 AM | #6 |
Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Waterford Ontario
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Hah! Try commuting from Waterford to Mississauga in a stripped Swift GTi revving 4100 RPM on 185 55 14 Nankangs!
I drove the 87 Firefly turbo to work for a summer. It's 1450lbs with racing seats and few creature comforts. There's a bag of earplugs in the glove compartment I find the Echo refreshingly comfortable and quiet |
01-16-2019, 01:28 PM | #7 |
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Yeah, I just drove my echo from grand rapids to Detroit. Roads here are brutal, but it’s liveable even on a sport suspension with 14 inch winter tires. It doesn’t help that my wife spun the car into a snowbank last winter, so the rear fender plastics are missing. It adds more road noise to the cabin with those missing. Especially at 80mph!
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01-30-2019, 09:27 PM | #8 |
Drives: 2005 Toyota Echo Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Hamilton, Canada
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I was very happy after my swap to the xb transmission, it was definitely worth the high revs on the highway. Stock gearing is terrible
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02-04-2019, 06:47 AM | #9 | |
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@johnny: good to see you’re still around! How’s the Prius V?
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03-27-2019, 09:02 PM | #10 | |
Drives: 2005 Toyota Echo Join Date: Sep 2010
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The Prius is awesome, although I'm obsessed with fuel mileage now averaging 4.7L/100 km. It creeps up closer to 5.0L/100km in the winter Sad to say, I decided to get rid of my echo. It went to a good home though, a co-worker. He has spent the winter going over the whole car and taking stuff apart/doing maintenance and improvements. He plans to track it so upgrades are also coming soon (some stiff coilovers, race seat/belts and probably a cage) My dad passed along his Mustang to me, so thats my toy now
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03-28-2019, 07:47 AM | #11 |
Drives: 04 3dr HB and 04 5dr RS Join Date: Mar 2018
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Johnny, please let the new owner know that there is a small group of us that do track days together. He is more than welcome.
Have him email me at: ron@racehavenhobbies.com for more info if he wants to come out with us. Anyone else for that matter, if you have a Toyota Yaris or Echo and want to come out to track days please email me........ Cheers, Ron |
03-28-2019, 09:07 AM | #12 | |
Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Jul 2009
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Where do you do the track days and what's involved? I may come out if I don't have to do any special prep work to the car. |
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03-28-2019, 11:51 AM | #13 | |
Drives: 04 3dr HB and 04 5dr RS Join Date: Mar 2018
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If you don't want to do any prep to your car then the track days may not be for you. Cheers, Ron |
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03-28-2019, 12:23 PM | #14 |
Drives: '08 2zr swapped Vios M/T Join Date: Oct 2012
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It is a fun evening for sure but as Ron said even a moderately driven var on the track needs some basic prep. TMP is very liberal with what they allow on the track but to do it safely there is a minimum of stuff you need to prep and maintain
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03-28-2019, 06:02 PM | #15 |
Drives: 05 Echo Join Date: Jul 2009
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03-28-2019, 06:25 PM | #16 |
Drives: 04 3dr HB and 04 5dr RS Join Date: Mar 2018
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Ah......very good then. :)
No helmet required.......standard track day rules in effect. Probably hawk blues and some better than decent brake fluid. TMP is tough on brakes....... |
03-28-2019, 09:26 PM | #17 | |
Drives: '08 2zr swapped Vios M/T Join Date: Oct 2012
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It's your call on pads and how long/well they hold up entirely depends on your tires and even more importantly, how hard you want to brake in the braking zones. My first 2 track days were on old race slicks and Hawk HPS pads (performance street). I thought they were fine until the next season when I started working on late braking and glazed over 2 sets of pads rendering them downright scary and useless. I now use a track pad (Carbotech xp-10) but they are not really that great on the street as they have poor stopping power when cold. Hawk Blue's as Ron stated will likely be more than adequate, or a Carbotech pad that is less aggressive like an AX-6. I use brake fluid from Canadian tire, the OEM brand makes a "performance" DOT 3 which has a dry boiling point just under 500F. I have never had an issue with fluid even when my rotors started turning blue, I just bleed the fluid every couple track days. That fluid is about $19 per liter vs around double the price for something like Motul 600 fluid. Yaris' are light cars and are not overly hard on brakes but TPM is a tight track with a lot of hard braking. Just double check all of the maintenance things like fluids and make sure your radiator is clean/clear of crap. It's a great way to get out frustration, learn how to be a better driver and have fun in a safe environment. Oh and the Yaris group is a good bunch of people which makes it that much better.
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03-29-2019, 06:51 AM | #18 | |
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I had a 3spd auto Swift with the G16A carb engine. That thing revved 4000rpm at 120kmh as well. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk |
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