Squeaks, rattles and noises.

[swng]

Originally Posted by AutoTech1

This vehicle is going to be very good with materials. I am a litte confused though... Are we talking about the hatch starting at around 10k or the sedan toping out at 13 give or take some? Where do you even get 20K out of that whole deal? Are you in a differnt country? As for USM (United States Market) even though the car will start at 10 or so, the materials in it are upscale looking... That's Toyota for you. I'm going to say it one more time. More affordable car on the spectrum... Bound to be some rattle. But even though this is said, the car (when driven at highway speeds) shouldn't suffer to much from noise outside, except for tire and engine noise. It's pretty good on stopping outside noises from intruding as well as having good materials on the inside for this price.

I am in B.C.,Canada(see left) and I have paid more than 20k(Canadian) for my car(I have optional features on it). In the first few sentences of my post which you have quoted, I already said that I would accept a little rattle or harshness. However, if after checking out with fellow Yaris owners, I find out that I am the only sufferer of a particular problem, I will liaise with the dealership to see if the problem can be fixed. That stand should probably also be many fellow members' bottom line and is very reasonable, and that is one of the reasons why so many of us join this forum.
Although disagreement is not always a bad thing, we are in fact not in any big disagreement.

[AutoTech1]

Originally Posted by swng

I am in B.C.,Canada(see left) and I have paid more than 20k(Canadian) for my car(I have optional features on it). In the first few sentences of my post which you have quoted, I already said that I would accept a little rattle or harshness. However, if after checking out with fellow Yaris owners, I find out that I am the only sufferer of a particular problem, I will liaise with the dealership to see if the problem can be fixed. That stand should probably also be many fellow members' bottom line and is very reasonable, and that is one of the reasons why so many of us join this forum.
Although disagreement is not always a bad thing, we are in fact not in any big disagreement.

Yes. I totally understand you. It's just ridiculous... It's kind of like beating a dead horse. It's not going anywhere. People always want more and want to pay less, like here for example... That doesn't happen, and that's the point I'm trying to get across. Expect some rattles is all I'm saying. If you really don't want to worry about rattles, go buy a 40 thousand dollar car and stop the damn complaining.

[swng]

Originally Posted by AutoTech1

Yes. I totally understand you. It's just ridiculous... It's kind of like beating a dead horse. It's not going anywhere. People always want more and want to pay less, like here for example... That doesn't happen, and that's the point I'm trying to get across. Expect some rattles is all I'm saying. If you really don't want to worry about rattles, go buy a 40 thousand dollar car and stop the damn complaining.

You have made your point and I fully respect your view as well as your right to express it. On this board, all are welcome to express themselves as long as they follow the rules and are friendly and polite to fellow members. Right adminstrators?.
I am not the one who complains about rattles. My car does rattle a little(literally a little) but I think I can put up with that. I, along with some fellow members, have been dicussing with a certain member who had found some rattles on his car which he thought could be abnormal. We are all very civilized and friendly people. We are just rationally dicussing what to do in case we hear some apparently abnormal rattles. Doing nothing is an option but it is up to the member who is having the problem. While friendly suggestions are welcome, here, no one is superior to the others and no one is entitled to tell people what to and what not to do, so I personally have not attempted to do that. Right adminstrators? Since the cars are so new and still under warranty, it is normal and totally acceptable for members to check it out if there is any remedy available.
As for buying a 40k car, I do have bought a Mercedes E-320 4-matic(that has effectively become my second Mercedes) and I am enjoying it. Though it has been heard rattling sometimes, I have been very reasonable in my dealings with the dealership which sold me my car. No car can be completely free from rattles anyway and it would be naive for me even to think that expansive cars do not rattle at all. I have travelled in my friends' Lexus top models and I have heard them rattling in some situations. So, it is only whether it is reasonable under the circumstances when cars are heard to be rattling.

[as400g33k]

The idea of 'getting what you paid for' doesnt sit well with me. As a paying consumer, I expect to get satisfaction from any purchase that I make, be it $1 or $1,000,000.00.

And for the record, we've had our yaris since nov05. Now nearly 2k kms later, and it has give us no problems at all.

[swng]

Let me make myself clear if I have not. I will not ask for a Lexus when I pay for a Yaris. But a Yaris is not cheap. I have come across claims that a well equipped Yaris costs not much less than a similarly equipped Corolla. Needless to say such a Yaris is more expensive than some cars of the same class by a significant margin. So, when I pay for a Toyota, I expect to get Toyota quality. I will accept small imperfections such as a little rattle or harshness if other people's Yarises are not free from them in one way or another. This should be a good way to determine whether I have had a fair deal. Here is where "you get what you pay for" comes in and that is what I can agree to. A Yaris is never meant to be a perfect car, but it should be quite good, if not excellent. However, if after I have checked out in this and other forums that I am the only one having a particular problem, I will not feel guilty bringing my car back to the dealership to ask for a solution. I like rational discussions with fellow members and I have encountered many nice fellow members this far.

[AutoTech1]

Originally Posted by as400g33k

The idea of 'getting what you paid for' doesnt sit well with me. As a paying consumer, I expect to get satisfaction from any purchase that I make, be it $1 or $1,000,000.00.

And for the record, we've had our yaris since nov05. Now nearly 2k kms later, and it has give us no problems at all.

Just expect to get what you pay for and in todays market's where manufacturers are watering down their offerings even more, you shouldn't be too surprised...

[SmellyTofu]

Originally Posted by as400g33k

The idea of 'getting what you paid for' doesnt sit well with me. As a paying consumer, I expect to get satisfaction from any purchase that I make, be it $1 or $1,000,000.00.

And for the record, we've had our yaris since nov05. Now nearly 2k kms later, and it has give us no problems at all.

So it's OK for a $20k Lexus to produce rattles yet a $20k Yaris is not? Ever been to the markets and bought a big box of oranges for $5 and get a few rotten ones at the bottom? Are you going to go back and complain and demand they give you the most sweetest and juiciest the earth has ever grown out of the ground picked out of the ground by Miss Universe? Go catch a Qantas plane and expect them to give you a 5 star meal and a bed on the plane? I got a sausage roll for dinner on a Virgin Atlantic flight but I paid a reasonable price for it but did that mean that there was problems?? I got what I paid for... if I wanted a good meal, I would have travelled business class. Same goes for your salary. If a job paid peanuts, of course you're going to attract monkeys rather than someone that has relevant experience and qualifications. You get what you paid for. If I cut your salary to $20k, you're not going to do as good of a job as you would if I paid $100k (ceteris parabus - all things being equal)?

Go check out the last Wheels magazine and see what was on offer 10 years ago for $20k brand new. Also think of how much easier it is to buy a $20k car compared to 10 years ago.

Come back to reality. You DO get what you paid for. That's not to say you get crap but it's at an acceptable level that you won't get in many other manufacturer for the same price.

[OKJeeper]

What you SHOULD get when you buy a car in this price range is a decent small car. They skimp on a lot of things to get the car to this price like features, they keep the design fairly simple, they skimp on sound deadening, smaller engines, smaller wheels and tires, etc. That doesn't mean that the car should be a rattle box. They still have to be responsible for designing the car so that it doesn't shake itself apart. If I have a rattle that I can't fix myself you better believe I'm going to be at the dealership making them fix it.

[Polar_Yaris]

The Yaris is priced above the competitors in its class. Even a Cobalt, Accent...doesn't make that kind of noise...well, I'm just comparing orange to orange. I work for a rental car company and I drove a lot of inexpensive cars. You don't need to expect less from an expensive car.

[AutoTech1]

Originally Posted by Polar_Yaris

The Yaris is priced above the competitors in its class. Even a Cobalt, Accent...doesn't make that kind of noise...well, I'm just comparing orange to orange. I work for a rental car company and I drove a lot of inexpensive cars. You don't need to expect less from an expensive car.

I'm sorry, but for someone who works for a car rental company that's all you do... You work for a car rental company... You obviously don't know much about cars. And if you're talking about some other country, I'm talking about the ones that are coming to the USDM... So you probably aren't following what I'm saying correctly.

[jcove]

I guess I'm lucky. My baby doesn't have any squeaks or rattles, unless I put things in the glove compartment. Sorry to hear that some of you are having problems.

[as400g33k]

Originally Posted by SmellyTofu

So it's OK for a $20k Lexus to produce rattles yet a $20k Yaris is not?

Funny, I said nothing of the sort nor implied in any of my posts. What I am trying to say is that you should get satisfaction on your purchase.

Originally Posted by SmellyTofu

Ever been to the markets and bought a big box of oranges for $5 and get a few rotten ones at the bottom? Are you going to go back and complain and demand they give you the most sweetest and juiciest the earth has ever grown out of the ground picked out of the ground by Miss Universe?.

I couldn't care less if it was picked by a Miss Universe or a backpacker nor do I care if its the most sweetest and juicest on the planet. What I do expect is for it to be rotten-free. What? I can't go to the grocer and say nicely: 'Dude, I got a couple of bad ones from the bunch you sold me. Could you do something about it?' What do you think the grocer would say? Probably something like: ' Sorry about that mate. Here's a couple for those rotten ones.'

Originally Posted by SmellyTofu

Go catch a Qantas plane and expect them to give you a 5 star meal and a bed on the plane? I got a sausage roll for dinner on a Virgin Atlantic flight but I paid a reasonable price for it but did that mean that there was problems?? I got what I paid for... if I wanted a good meal, I would have travelled business class.

If Qantas advertised a 5-star meal, a bed, a foot rub and free drinks for $99 and I bought a ticket and got none of those, would I complain? Hell, yes! Wouldn't you? If a B&B inn advertised a room with a spa, king-sized bed, airconditioning and spectacular views and you go and paid for one and got instead a room with no windows, a broken bed and a smelly airconditioner, would you complain?

Originally Posted by SmellyTofu

Same goes for your salary. If a job paid peanuts, of course you're going to attract monkeys rather than someone that has relevant experience and qualifications. You get what you paid for. If I cut your salary to $20k, you're not going to do as good of a job as you would if I paid $100k (ceteris parabus - all things being equal)?

Go check out the last Wheels magazine and see what was on offer 10 years ago for $20k brand new. Also think of how much easier it is to buy a $20k car compared to 10 years ago.

Come back to reality. You DO get what you paid for. That's not to say you get crap but it's at an acceptable level that you won't get in many other manufacturer for the same price.

I am in reality. I expect to get what I paid for, nothing less. If I paid for a product, I expect the product to be free from defects or faults and to contain the features that was advertised for it. In short, I expect a fair trade.

I'm confused though. If there are squeeks, rattles or noises from your brand new car that you find out that is not on other brand new cars of the same make and brand, isn't there obviously something wrong with it? Maybe a fault or a defect? Shouldn't you complain? Or should you just bear it and suffer it for its entire life and be not satisfied with it when others are?

Since you are fond of examples, how about this: Say you bought a no-name brand widescreen plasma tv worth about $2000 from K-Mart and found there is a permanent horizontal white line across the screen. When you tried to return it, they tell you: 'Sorry we can't replace it since its a no-name cheap brand. You should expect defects on its since it is cheap. If you wanted something without defects, you should've bought a Sony or a Pioneer.'

I wonder what you will do...

[AutoTech1]

Originally Posted by as400g33k

I am in reality. I expect to get what I paid for, nothing less. If I paid for a product, I expect the product to be free from defects or faults and to contain the features that was advertised for it. In short, I expect a fair trade.

I'm confused though. If there are squeeks, rattles or noises from your brand new car that you find out that is not on other brand new cars of the same make and brand, isn't there obviously something wrong with it? Maybe a fault or a defect? Shouldn't you complain? Or should you just bear it and suffer it for its entire life and be not satisfied with it when others are?

Since you are fond of examples, how about this: Say you bought a no-name brand widescreen plasma tv worth about $2000 from K-Mart and found there is a permanent horizontal white line across the screen. When you tried to return it, they tell you: 'Sorry we can't replace it since its a no-name cheap brand. You should expect defects on its since it is cheap. If you wanted something without defects, you should've bought a Sony or a Pioneer.'

I wonder what you will do...

I don't quite understand if you're agreeing with me or against me... What I'm saying is this though:

OK. Let's say you have two game systems... Both are handheld. One is a poker game that cost lets say three bucks. This stands for the Yaris. The other handheld system is the PSP starting at 249.00. This stands for a Lexus. Which one do you think is better? Hmmmm? Which one will satisfy you more? Which one do you think will last longer (not including if you dropped it). There goes my point that I'm trying to get across. If you pay 10k for a car, it's going to be cheaper. And cheaper means rattles... Not as good materials... There ya go.

[why?]

When buying a brand new car what you should get is a car that is well packaged and squeak and rattle free. There is no excuse, especially when the model and chassis are brand new.

[SmellyTofu]

You got a new Yaris with airbags, ABS, nice looks and it didn't deliver?

Sony? a good brand? ever heard of the PSP? Anyway, even if I did consider a no-name brand or even a name brand for that matter, if I paid pittens for it, I'd expect it to fall apart on me very soon and hope that some other poor bugger falls apart before mine does. You don't expect a Yaris for $5k would be better than one that cost $20k (ceteris parabus).

[as400g33k]

Apparently, we have different values when it comes to fair trade. We'll just leave it at that.

And yes, I have heard of the PSP. I have also heard of the psOne, PS2, PS3, Trinitron, Walkman, and the Bravia. What does that have to do with this? Wait, are you trying to imply that all Sony products are crap because of the PSP? Ok. I don't see how that helps your point though.

Since most consumer goods have mandatory warranties nowadays, I will return a defective product to the seller/maker if it broke down within its warranty period. If not, then tough luck, chuck it in the bin and buy a new one.

And yes, I will return a crap PSP if it breaks down (through no fault of my own) within its warranty period.

[AutoTech1]

Originally Posted by as400g33k

Apparently, we have different values when it comes to fair trade. We'll just leave it at that.

And yes, I have heard of the PSP. I have also heard of the psOne, PS2, PS3, Trinitron, Walkman, and the Bravia. What does that have to do with this? Wait, are you trying to imply that all Sony products are crap because of the PSP? Ok. I don't see how that helps your point though.

Since most consumer goods have mandatory warranties nowadays, I will return a defective product to the seller/maker if it broke down within its warranty period. If not, then tough luck, chuck it in the bin and buy a new one.

And yes, I will return a crap PSP if it breaks down (through no fault of my own) within its warranty period.

Hey... The PSP is actually quite good... Though I also don't see what this has to do with that.

[jcove]

Originally Posted by SmellyTofu

You got a new Yaris with airbags, ABS, nice looks and it didn't deliver?

Sony? a good brand? ever heard of the PSP? Anyway, even if I did consider a no-name brand or even a name brand for that matter, if I paid pittens for it, I'd expect it to fall apart on me very soon and hope that some other poor bugger falls apart before mine does. You don't expect a Yaris for $5k would be better than one that cost $20k (ceteris parabus).

Here's my experiance. If you bought a Focus or Cavalier ( I guess it's called a Cobalt now) and you heard rattles, then you got what you paid for. I totally agree that if there are rattles in the Yaris you have, then go back to the dealer and demand that they do something. The Toyota standard for suppliers is much higher than most of the "Domestic" brands. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to go in screaming, just keep cool and see if they handle it reasonably. If not, then take it up a step, talk to the sales person's manager. If that still doesn't help take it up a notch again, up to Toyota Canada if neccesary. I don't feel that if you've purchased something brand new that you should feel you need to put up with something like that. My Yaris is very solid. I purchased the 2dr LE. Paid less than 20K, but I still would have complained if my brand new car was sqeaking and rattling. Remember, squeaky wheel gets the grease. Good news travels fast, but bad news travels faster. Just remind them of that.