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Tankota · 06-16-2006, 12:51 PM

For the added $10,000+ the Prius will cost vrs the Yaris, it's not worth it.. How many miles would you have to drive the Prius vrs the Yaris to save $10,000+ in gas?

pxpaulx · 10-11-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pennystocks

I remeber reading somewhere that it takes somewhere around 10 hours to fully charge it (a guy converted a prius to Lithium Ion betteries and added a plug to charge it at night).

If it cost 12 cents per KW/HR you are spending $1.20 a night to go from 60mpg to 100+ mpg, worth it?

and thats for a full charge too. I believe he could go as far as 30 miles w/o having the car start gas engine for extra power.
Another reason why toyota beats honda in hybrids, the prius's 60HP electric engine can drive the car w/o the gas engine vs hondas 20hp electric engine.

and how much did that lithium ion battery conversion cost? i'm betting it wasn't a bunch of energizers in the trunk. probably cost ANOTHER $5-10K to have that installed. maybe in california where people pay $500K for a 1 bedroom townhome that isn't alot of money, but to most people around the country it isn't feasible. i'll take 38mpg from my $13K yaris any day over a prius. the extra $50 i'll spend a month in gas (probably less than that, a co-worker had a prius and averaged 47mpg, not that great!) is alot more worth it than the extra $250 it'll cost in monthly payments to own the prius.

tomjasz · 10-11-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Uglyboyed

???? uum if you have to plug it in. isnt ur electric bill going to sky rocket?

If thats the case i'll plug it in my neighbors house. lol

Estimates I've read put the cost comparison at a cost per gallon rate of $1.50

Reddington · 10-11-2006, 07:25 PM

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/business...18TDY08005.htm

FYI. Diesels in general are now much cleaner than they used to be and now that low-sulphur diesel is in the states, that means there will be diesels that can clear emissions in all 50 states

PSU Yaris · 06-14-2006, 11:58 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats hilarious

why? · 06-15-2006, 11:23 PM

The biggest problem with diesels is the emmisions.

The current diesels put out by VW & MB already cannot meet emmisions in California, New England or New York.

Maybe low sulfur fuel will help.

weeze-dog · 06-16-2006, 12:00 AM

Yeah VW built a bunch of extra 2006 models because they are dropping the 2007 model of diesels because they can't meet the newer stricter standards for 2007. They are dropping them for a year or two. The problem is the VERY strict requirements on NOx that are going in place, requiring some exotic means to reach on a diesel. Its only the EPA requirement on NOx that is causing the big issue. Only Honda or Toyota (can't remember which) has developed a low NOx diesel engine without the use of a crazy means to reduce NOx like pee in a bottle (urea),

Here's another snippet, you can see the market is definately growing:
Data compiled by R.L. Polk & Co. and released by the Diesel Technology Forum (DTF) show that registration of light-duty diesel passenger vehicles in the US jumped 31% in 2005 from the year before. Registrations of light- and medium-duty diesel passenger vehicles have grown 80% since 2000—up from 301,000 diesel vehicles that year to 543,777 diesel registrations in 2005.

In the light-duty market, diesel registrations nearly doubled (95% growth) between 2000 and 2005, climbing from 22,543 to 44,031. When given a choice between a gasoline or diesel engine, consumers purchased the diesel engine option almost half the time (45%) in 2005. By contrast, sales of light-duty gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles hit 205,749 in 2005.

Gasoline hybrids and flexible-fueled ethanol vehicles aren’t the only fuel-efficient choices consumers have today.
—Allen Schaeffer, DTF executive director

Medium-duty vehicles (such as the Chevrolet Silverado, Dodge Ram, Ford F-Series and GMC Sierra Trucks) represent the bulk of the light-and medium-duty diesel sales in the US: 477,853 units in 2005, or 88% of the total.

Most analysts expect the diesel trend to continue due in part to rising fuel prices and the desire to improve US vehicle efficiency. Diesel offer a 20% to 40% improvement in fuel economy against comparable gasoline engines.

Researchers at J.D. Power and Associates predict that diesel sales will approximately triple in the next 10 years, accounting for more than 10% of US vehicle sales by 2015, up from 3.6% in 2005 and 2.25% in 2000.

Uglyboyed · 06-16-2006, 01:10 PM

well if you put it that way than you wouldnt really save you money in the beginning. but at 100 mpg after about 5 years you would have made a lil profit.

why? · 06-16-2006, 10:16 PM

Well, the average Prius driver gets about 50 mpg, and it looks like the average Yaris drive gets about 37 or 38.

So for $10,000 in savings, according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/feg2000.htm, the Prius costs $601 for fuel, the Yaris auto costs $1213.

So to save $10k, you'd need to drive the car about 17 years.

swng · 06-17-2006, 12:02 AM

I have seen a Prius being used as a taxi. I think that car's driver/owner will recoup the price differential faster than most other people because of the high daily mileage that his car has to run

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Reddington · 10-10-2006, 10:03 PM

Here are the advantages I see in a diesel. There's the 20-30% higher fuel economy, so a Yaris diesel would get 45-50mpg rather than say 38. Also I don't think acceleration would suffer as much since diesel engines have peak torque at lower RPMs than gasoline engines. I would be willing to pay the extra $1k for the extra MPG

captainzerocool · 10-19-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Reddington

Here are the advantages I see in a diesel. There's the 20-30% higher fuel economy, so a Yaris diesel would get 45-50mpg rather than say 38. Also I don't think acceleration would suffer as much since diesel engines have peak torque at lower RPMs than gasoline engines. I would be willing to pay the extra $1k for the extra MPG

Hells yeah. So would I.

But Americans think Diesel is for trucks and don't understand the benefits.

Black Yaris · 10-11-2006, 01:09 AM

The rest of the world uses mostly diesel for fuel econ and cheeper to refine.... I geuss North America is too oil hungry to go with more diesel... Don't know if anyone else watches Mythbusters but they had a diesel Benz running on strained french fry greese (they only ran it through a paint strainer) and got a couple MPH less than diesel fuel... and to think Mc Donalds just throws that shit away, if I had a diesel I would be hittin up the burger joints for free fuel

tomjasz · 10-11-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Yaris

The rest of the world uses mostly diesel for fuel econ and cheeper to refine.... I geuss North America is too oil hungry to go with more diesel... Don't know if anyone else watches Mythbusters but they had a diesel Benz running on strained french fry greese (they only ran it through a paint strainer) and got a couple MPH less than diesel fuel... and to think Mc Donalds just throws that shit away, if I had a diesel I would be hittin up the burger joints for free fuel

Ah sorry but in most large cities these days fryer oil is now turned into biodiesel. It does not work to simply run through a strainer!!!!!!!!!! You missed something in the translation, I doubt that Mythbusters would miss that detail!!!!

Idjiit · 10-11-2006, 12:28 PM

Careful what you wish for, guys. I recently went to a primarily deisel-run country and the air quality was horrendous. I'm sure a lot of that is just lax emissions controls, but deisels can't run as clean as petrol engines.

tomjasz · 10-11-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Idjiit

deisels can't run as clean as petrol engines.

Dead wrong! Please read some on biodiesel!

Reddington · 11-10-2006, 07:46 PM

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...2C2CE9F03F2%7D

"Toyota and Isuzu have reached an accord with the understanding that they are working toward the research and development and production of small diesel engines and gas emission control, among other areas, they said."

Yaris · 11-14-2006, 01:32 PM

I would be the first to trade in my auto gasmobile for a stick diesel Yaris LB when it becomes available in Canada.

06-15-2006, 11:23 PM	#6
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	The biggest problem with diesels is the emmisions. The current diesels put out by VW & MB already cannot meet emmisions in California, New England or New York. Maybe low sulfur fuel will help. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

06-16-2006, 10:16 PM	#9
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	Well, the average Prius driver gets about 50 mpg, and it looks like the average Yaris drive gets about 37 or 38. So for $10,000 in savings, according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/feg2000.htm, the Prius costs $601 for fuel, the Yaris auto costs $1213. So to save $10k, you'd need to drive the car about 17 years. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

10-11-2006, 01:09 AM	#13
Black Yaris der Zeck View User's Garage Drives: '05 Audi A4 1.8t quattro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 5,231	The rest of the world uses mostly diesel for fuel econ and cheeper to refine.... I geuss North America is too oil hungry to go with more diesel... Don't know if anyone else watches Mythbusters but they had a diesel Benz running on strained french fry greese (they only ran it through a paint strainer) and got a couple MPH less than diesel fuel... and to think Mc Donalds just throws that shit away, if I had a diesel I would be hittin up the burger joints for free fuel __________________

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06-16-2006, 12:51 PM	#1
Tankota Prototype Tester Drives: Yaris S-Sedan / FJ Cruiser Join Date: May 2006 Location: Reseda, CA Posts: 67	For the added $10,000+ the Prius will cost vrs the Yaris, it's not worth it.. How many miles would you have to drive the Prius vrs the Yaris to save $10,000+ in gas?

10-11-2006, 07:25 PM	#4
Reddington Drives: 1995 Corolla DX auto Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 26	http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/business...18TDY08005.htm FYI. Diesels in general are now much cleaner than they used to be and now that low-sulphur diesel is in the states, that means there will be diesels that can clear emissions in all 50 states

06-14-2006, 11:58 PM	#5
PSU Yaris Drives: 2007 Toyota Yaris Sedan S Join Date: May 2006 Location: Penn State University Posts: 62	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats hilarious

06-16-2006, 12:00 AM	#7
weeze-dog Drives: 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 57	Yeah VW built a bunch of extra 2006 models because they are dropping the 2007 model of diesels because they can't meet the newer stricter standards for 2007. They are dropping them for a year or two. The problem is the VERY strict requirements on NOx that are going in place, requiring some exotic means to reach on a diesel. Its only the EPA requirement on NOx that is causing the big issue. Only Honda or Toyota (can't remember which) has developed a low NOx diesel engine without the use of a crazy means to reduce NOx like pee in a bottle (urea), Here's another snippet, you can see the market is definately growing: Data compiled by R.L. Polk & Co. and released by the Diesel Technology Forum (DTF) show that registration of light-duty diesel passenger vehicles in the US jumped 31% in 2005 from the year before. Registrations of light- and medium-duty diesel passenger vehicles have grown 80% since 2000—up from 301,000 diesel vehicles that year to 543,777 diesel registrations in 2005. In the light-duty market, diesel registrations nearly doubled (95% growth) between 2000 and 2005, climbing from 22,543 to 44,031. When given a choice between a gasoline or diesel engine, consumers purchased the diesel engine option almost half the time (45%) in 2005. By contrast, sales of light-duty gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles hit 205,749 in 2005. Gasoline hybrids and flexible-fueled ethanol vehicles aren’t the only fuel-efficient choices consumers have today. —Allen Schaeffer, DTF executive director Medium-duty vehicles (such as the Chevrolet Silverado, Dodge Ram, Ford F-Series and GMC Sierra Trucks) represent the bulk of the light-and medium-duty diesel sales in the US: 477,853 units in 2005, or 88% of the total. Most analysts expect the diesel trend to continue due in part to rising fuel prices and the desire to improve US vehicle efficiency. Diesel offer a 20% to 40% improvement in fuel economy against comparable gasoline engines. Researchers at J.D. Power and Associates predict that diesel sales will approximately triple in the next 10 years, accounting for more than 10% of US vehicle sales by 2015, up from 3.6% in 2005 and 2.25% in 2000.

06-16-2006, 01:10 PM	#8
Uglyboyed Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan S Flint Mica Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 131	well if you put it that way than you wouldnt really save you money in the beginning. but at 100 mpg after about 5 years you would have made a lil profit.

06-17-2006, 12:02 AM	#10
swng Drives: 06 3-dr auto RS Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: BC Posts: 1,051	I have seen a Prius being used as a taxi. I think that car's driver/owner will recoup the price differential faster than most other people because of the high daily mileage that his car has to run .

10-10-2006, 10:03 PM	#11
Reddington Drives: 1995 Corolla DX auto Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 26	Here are the advantages I see in a diesel. There's the 20-30% higher fuel economy, so a Yaris diesel would get 45-50mpg rather than say 38. Also I don't think acceleration would suffer as much since diesel engines have peak torque at lower RPMs than gasoline engines. I would be willing to pay the extra $1k for the extra MPG

10-11-2006, 12:28 PM	#15
Idjiit 5 Stars, Bitches Drives: Prius, Silver Yaris Liftback Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Holly Springs, NC Posts: 451	Careful what you wish for, guys. I recently went to a primarily deisel-run country and the air quality was horrendous. I'm sure a lot of that is just lax emissions controls, but deisels can't run as clean as petrol engines.

11-10-2006, 07:46 PM	#17
Reddington Drives: 1995 Corolla DX auto Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 26	http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...2C2CE9F03F2%7D "Toyota and Isuzu have reached an accord with the understanding that they are working toward the research and development and production of small diesel engines and gas emission control, among other areas, they said."

11-14-2006, 01:32 PM	#18
Yaris Drives: 2010 LB Meteor Metallic Join Date: May 2006 Location: Markham Posts: 65	I would be the first to trade in my auto gasmobile for a stick diesel Yaris LB when it becomes available in Canada.