Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[sqcomp]

Everything is gone. I'm going to let go of my P-01 for stupidly cheap as well (relatively)...

I sold the signed L8s and all my SEs. At this point, I'm moving on from HAT and Hybrid Audio. Don't get me wrong, great speakers. I just know what the soul of the company is...and I don't like it.

ANYWAY, I'm waiting for two 5 channel amps coming soon. They're going to bridge down into two 3 channels and give me just as much headroom as the monster DDs. I still have to unload that 4 channel.

I digress, we're looking at 230 x 2 & 440 x 1 on the left and then the same for the right side...in a class D amplifier. I already have the sub amp, at 1000 x 1 D class as well. So, think vertical (tri) amplification. I'm going to try to see if I can hear a difference. I read that the stereo separation is supposed to be better using this method.

I'm also saving a heck of a lot of space and weight. I actually have to re-tool my amp rack. I'm thinking of using some LED lighting both above and below the amps to produce a cool look. I'll also have to retool the pillars and sail panels. That's the easy part since they're mostly there already.

I've purchased a neat new XAV-701HD piece from Jim. I enjoyed the fact that it has true 5 Volt pre outs. I'll check to see if it has a more linear application of the Voltage across the pot range versus the top end boost that the P-01/P-99 has.

The new components will come after I sell the P-01. I have plans...

I'll also be repairing the Bit One at Pyramid Audio Repair. They did such a good job with the P-01, I won't hesitate to use them again. Chris Lewis, the tech who worked his magic on the P-01, said he'll take a stab at making the Bit One as good as it can be and actually fix the mods correctly (instead of the way they were from the HAT engineer that cost me a world championship).

[derickveliz2]

It's so sad to see you part away from HAT, but I understand.

There was another sound competition in NY when I was away, my friend won 2nd place again by 1 point.

I'm sure he agrees I'm a few points above him even I'm not in the same category.

He is the one who wrote about my stage:

"I was impressed with the depth of your stage... it seemed to extend beyond the windshield..." and so on!

I wish I could go one day to one of these competitions.

D.

[sqcomp]

You tell me when you decide to take the plunge into competition. I'll have a little insight for you that will open your eyes and net you a few points.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

You tell me when you decide to take the plunge into competition. I'll have a little insight for you that will open your eyes and net you a few points.

I will!


D.

[derickveliz2]

I had to re-wire the left speaker inside the door, so I went to a local auto-audio installer and got 18 feet of wire... thinking that it was enough for both sides, since my amp is behind the passenger's door...

Left speaker took 16.5 feet of wire!

D.

[_S7V7N_]

Whoaa ! Sq you sold most your stuff. Guess i been gone for a bit too long. Ha. Had a new baby boy born in Jan so its been hell getting everything ready then babysitting the wife and the newborn has been a handful.

I sold most my audio which made a few car and cell phone payments. So i have an amp and my front speakers. I cant be completely "noiseless". Most my extra cash has been going towards fishing equipment. And that shit is just as expensive as audio.

Maybe this summer i'll grab another budget system. You'll have to FB message me what happend with the HAT stuff.

[sqcomp]

No need for FB...I'll tell anyone straight out...

HAT's ethical practices are questionable at best. This is specifically true with their own competition team members. When it is found out that the company is buying it's way into competition formats such as IASCA, the objectivity of said formats is put into suspicion.

Even though I was part of the team and very close with the management of the company, I cannot allow myself to remain silent when there is an active movement to stifle competition within the sound off ranks through "covert" support of said organizations and active moves to stifle that news from ever seeing daylight.

This is just one of the company's issues.

I won't take part in any organization that allows this kind of activity while publicly denying culpability in such activities...especially when I've seen it first hand.

As for my equipment? Meh...it's all gone to good homes. All that is except for my 4 channel amp. That's still sitting in the garage. I had back luck on e-bay with some Russians playing the shell game with shipping outside the US.

Other than that it's a brand new system happening and big BIG train horns going in by the end of the month.

[_S7V7N_]

What new brand you going with ? And you got rid of your DD stuff as well ?

[sqcomp]

I'll probably go back to old faithful Audison. If PPI cannot come up with their 5 channel phantom amplifier in the next couple months, I'll move forward with either Audison SR5s or Hertz HDP-5 amplifiers. PPI has been promising that amplifier for two years now. At the pricing available to me, I need to wait to see if that can actually happen versus paying nearly twice as much for a Hertz piece.

I'm resetting the component system with an Audison Voce 3-way. I was thinking of a combination of Voce and Mille...but I really don't need to go all out...especially seein as I'm not going to compete for a few years.

Having talked with the team captain of Team Hybrids, they completely realize that if Elettromedia wanted to put together a competition team, HAT's rule in the competition lanes would be at an end. That realization made me chuckle. It only goes to prove that at the top levels, it's all in the tune...I know, I've seen the tuning techniques from the too players in the car audio world. Phasing, phasing, phasing!

The only DD piece I have left is that 4 channel. Damned good piece. I want to unload it to a good home eventually.

[derickveliz2]

I've seen in many forums that the Mids that I use HERTZ HL-70 are well known to be a "not so good speaker"

Like SQcomp mentions above... it's all about tuning. I'm not saying HAT is not as good as they say, but some day I will have a pair of HAT L3-SE's to test and compare, for now the HERTZ HL-70 will continue to make every body wonder how such a small speaker, installed so low in the kick area sounds so good up front.



D.

[sqcomp]

As with my IASCA run using the Digital Designs amplifiers, they also were thought to be not so good for SQ. Apparently I pissed off quite a few "important" people on the management see of the team by using that brand. I also showed them very wrong.

Bottom line? "Run what you brung". I could care less what brand of equipment anyone is using anymore. I might not like the brand but if it sounds good...it sounds good. There are many MANY different ways to get got the same destination.

I recall a vehicle during last year's SBN that was all home audio off brand type speakers. The guy was a real cool cat. He let me audition the car and we talked for an hour or so about his sound, what he liked, what I liked and what we didn't like.

I had Scott Buwalda sit in the vehicle. He came out saying, "We have to get that guy on the team." Now...why is that? Not because he was an amazing fabricator or was running miraculous speakers...it turns out the kid tuned the car well. What Scott wanted to do was to eliminate competition by bringing him onto the team (ultimately). I recently talked to him and congratulated him on not falling for the trap.

Reiteration...the tune is what will set you apart from everyone else. With enough flexibility one can make similar speakers sound very much alike...so much so that you won't be able to hear a difference.

Derick - let me know when you have a few dollars to spend on some L3s or L3SEs. I'll try to find some at a steal. If it makes our collective point, Jeremy Weaver won the Amateur world championship using 1st gen L3s. Damned fine sounding XB! One of the very best I've heard.

[_S7V7N_]

Sq we both commented on a post about a week ago pertaining to brand and speakers. People are always gonna say " that brand is trash " just because there sisters boyfriends brothers cousin ran that crap and he blew it inna week ". Which ultimately the gains were set incorrectly they were using speaker wire for Power/Ground. I use a few off brands and i've heard the whole your stuff is crap till i turn it on and put there 2k system to shame.

[sqcomp]

Of all the things...proper setup is a graduation from beginner level systems into pro levels.

So many people still don't get it.

[_S7V7N_]

Sq how could you ruin DD's image of being really damn good in SPL only. Now they're just as good in SQL as well !! Loll

There's a huge misconception if you buy brand #A that it's automatically going to sound better than Budget Brand #B. It's all in the installation. Now put them in the exact same professional install there's still a chance you wouldn't be able to pick out the brands.

Now the quality and the longevity of Brand #B is hopefully wayyy better. If not why did we just spend $200. Vs something that does the same thing for $60.

It would be fun to see you use some budget speakers in that install Sq and change the brand tags.

[sqcomp]

Budget speakers...those Voces are budget. Well...at least compared to the Legatia SE line they are. :)

They're less than half the cost. Betcha they'll sound just as good though. That being said, HAT is overcharging for their speakers anyway. I know, I have all the pricing tiers memorized.

Honestly, if one wants to buy HAT stuff, buy it used. You will get a good speaker for much more of a bargain. There are enough people out there being snowed to find used stuff around here and there. I sold all my HAT gear within 24-48 hours of posting it.

...that being said, I still have a pair of the L1 Pro SEs that need to be rebuilt. I think I'll use them for target practice, video tape it and post it on DIYMA. THAT should ruffle some feathers.

As for the brand comparison...with speakers you can differentiate easily enough. Amplifiers are able to be differentiated BUT that isn't due to the "power of the Watt"... There is no such thing. A Watt is a Watt. That being said, the route the signal must travel through on the amplifier will change the sound. Depending on the changes, sometimes you'll hear the difference. Most of what we're hearing is due to internal crossovers and/or the actual amplitude difference of the signal. A proper double blind A to B test has to be painstakingly setup to measure.

Think of it this way, is a single HP greater from a Chevy engine or a Ford engine? Neither, they're both the same measure.

[derickveliz2]

I made an experiment today, I put my old Pioneer Tweeters and tune them until they sounded as good as the others I have!

Just for the record: my tweeters are x-over at 10 kHz so there is not much stress on them, these little puppies do just fine! and...

you know me, I always want to get the most of the knowledge and experience, I'm going to try to get more "Width" taking advantage of the smaller size. I know I may sacrifice "Depth" a little bit... lets see what happens!

Remember...







D.

[sqcomp]

I'm smiling from ear to ear...

...it's all in the tune...

[_S7V7N_]

Imma give these a run during the summer. Soon as i get all my fishing gear in order..

Also wanna mess around with some 5.25's in some pvc enclosures on the rear dash. Just to mess a round a bit.






Power Handling: 360W peak per pair (180 watts), RMS: 180W per pair / 90 watts each side
50/50 Wool blend cone delivers smooth, natural sound reproduction
Butyl rubber surround
Pivot point 1" silk dome tweeter for accurate treble
Mounting kit for the tweeter allows the tweeter to focus the sound in the needed direction
Convertible mounting system allows the speakers to be mounted as a separate component system or a coaxial speaker
Rigid tooled basket with a stainless steel finish
Heavy motor structure with protective boot increases the power handling
PBX custom grille included protects your speakers and makes them look great
External 12dB 2-way crossover network
3 ohms impedance
High temperature voice coil
Top-mount depth: 2-1/2"
Sensitivity: 91 dB
Frequency Response: 59 - 20,000 Hz


P.s @Sq do you guys carry any of these ?