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11-08-2008, 08:51 PM | #19 | |
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they still have violent crimes and ciminals with guns
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11-08-2008, 08:53 PM | #20 |
Ladder of force...... use of deadly force...... safe weapon use....... training is the key.
A handgun is not too much different than using a car to run someone over...... that's a reason why the gun debate goes array. If someone wants to do bodily harm to you ..... they will find a way...... baseball bat, hammer, razor blade or beat to death with a feather (which takes a LONG time)....... the best defense in any situation is to run and live to fight another day. If a robbery is comitted the right way.... money and goods should be given up and the people should just do as told. People who have been or are currently in the service will agree with me on this but, there is no glory in aiming a weapon at people.
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11-08-2008, 08:54 PM | #21 |
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Absolutely not. Some of the guys on here are giving a false impression of the US and one that is a bad impression. More people do not own guns then those that do.
I respect and support responsible gun ownership but let's not make it sound like the US is a violent war like state where everyone's packing heat. |
11-08-2008, 08:55 PM | #22 |
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I'd have to research it...
I received an interesting email the other day about Australia (our Aussie members might be able to tell us if it's true or not) but I believe one of the statistics were that since carrying guns has been banned, violent crime has gone up 44%. I'm guessing because the criminals will always have guns and regular, law-abiding civilians are left largely unable to fight back. PK... =)...lol..maybe it IS too cold...who knows...
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11-08-2008, 08:58 PM | #23 |
5' 1" person can cripple a person of any size with proper training and just using household items. I used to teach self defense classes to business men and show them how effective a Time magazine can be tightly rolled up. Weapons may be good but just knowing proper defense is better.
A properly placed strike or kick will give you time to run.
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11-08-2008, 09:02 PM | #24 | |
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That's ridiculous. I guess if you plan on defending yourself, you need to carry every possible weapon. You have to carry a knife, gun, baseball bat, taser, ect... so that you can match the attacker. |
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11-08-2008, 09:05 PM | #25 |
Hey PK don't get me wrong ....... I own weapons and use them mainly for recreation and hunting........ we even have a "tourist season" to keep things fun!
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11-08-2008, 09:13 PM | #26 | |
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That is part of the training for Use of Deadly Force.
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11-08-2008, 09:14 PM | #27 |
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In Canada, if you defend yourself with any type of functional self-defense tool, expect alot of your time and money to go down the drain.
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11-08-2008, 09:15 PM | #28 |
Depends..... do you stop on the traveled part of the road.... step out and take a picture of a tree or a cow? I consider you a Comrad from the North........ only the people south of VT have tourist habits!
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11-08-2008, 09:17 PM | #29 |
So if you have trained in hand to hand combat are you considered to be a functional weapon? Or if you play baseball and have a bat..... a carpenter with a hammer?
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11-08-2008, 09:19 PM | #30 |
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Yes, and the other two, it depends on how you answer the police as to why you had the "tool" in had at the time of the incident...
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11-08-2008, 09:28 PM | #31 |
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My experience has been that the Americans are taught about the right to arm themselves, instead of being taught not to be a threat to anyone else. The key is EDUCATION, simple as that. Teach the population... ALL of it... the concept of right and wrong, and arming people will not be necessary.
I don't see that happening, as it will take at least 3 generations of intelligent education to get rid of the "I gotta defend myself" mentality... If the US emptied the prisons of recreational pot users, they would have lots of room for people who shoot at each other. |
11-08-2008, 09:34 PM | #32 |
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Wherever there are honest, law-abiding citizens, there will be violent criminals.
Please don't spew liberal BS about "education". The right to defend one's self is a fundamental fact of life. Government should NOT have any say in this. As they say: "A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged." and "Fear of firearms is a sign of retarded sexual maturity." |
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Y'know, it's funny. We have a Canadian Air Force liaison officer where I work and one of the first things he did when he got here was buy a pistol! Not because he was afraid of crime or anything, he just wanted to own a handgun! I took him to the range and let him shoot my XD45 and M1911s, and in the end he bought a Para Ordnance. He even brought his teenage son out to shot a few weeks ago, and I let him shoot all of my pistols. He was nervous, but did enjoy it. My point is, there are many pro-gun Canadians out there...
I've got lot of guns, and Texas is a very gun-friendly state. Non-CHL holders can actually legally carry concealed weapons in their cars thanks to the Castle Doctrine that was passed and took effect a little over a year ago. We don't have to worry about defending our families and properties from criminals, as far as I know no grand jury has ever not passed a 'No Bill' (conviction) against a law-abiding citizen that used a firearm to defend themselves. When we say 'Don't Mess With Texas,' we mean it! This country was founded thanks to the gun, and our founding fathers made sure its citizens would always have the right to arm ourselves by including it in the Constitution. It was one of the most insightful amendments, and the Supreme Court recently revalidated that right in its ruling on Heller vs DC. By the way, gun registration in Canada has been a huge failure! It has been estimated that as many as five million gun-owning Canadians have not registered their firearms. As of June 2003, only 6.4 million firearms had been registered, despite a 1974 estimate of 10 million guns in Canada. More than 20,000 Canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms. Many others are silently ignoring the law. The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws right back into Ottawa's lap, throwing the Canadian government into a paper civil war. The system is so bad that five Canadian provinces (British Columbia joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia, and Ontario) are refusing to prosecute firearm owners who fail to register. And the myth that registration does not lead to confiscation didn't happen in Canada! The handgun registration law of 1934 was the source used to identify and confiscate (without compensation) over half of the registered handguns in 2001. And the attempts to register hasn't had any effect on crime. Canadian homicide rates were virtually unchanged before and after gun registration requirements were implemented (151/100,000 people in 1998 and 149/100,000 in 2002). In fact, after the implementation of Canada's 1977 gun controls prohibiting handgun possession for protection, the 'breaking and entering' crime rate rose 25%, surpassing the American rate. All those facts can be found in the latest issue of GunFacts. And for why guns are important in civilization, this outstandign article explains it better than I ever could... Quote:
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By the way, I want add one of these to my arsenal; but I fear the new administration is gonna make it too tough/expensive to get one now...
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11-08-2008, 10:13 PM | #35 |
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dang..... what have I started
just wanted to show my new new revolver, and asked if anyone wanted to show off their pieces
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11-08-2008, 10:15 PM | #36 |
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maybe he wants to target shoot from a mile away
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