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ChinoCharles · 01-13-2009, 06:13 PM

You gave Ronald Reagan credit for heading up the SAG and becoming governor of California, but give Obama no credit from having two degrees from two of the best schools in the country. Instead, he is somehow inexperienced. I'm not singling you out. Most take this approach. I'm just saying it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

bobselectric · 01-13-2009, 06:28 PM

No one is denying that President-Elect Obama is a really bright guy, probably the most educated president in the history of the nation. My point is that once you get the education, lifes experience should shape what your views are- not your college professors.
President-Elect Obama has had a wealth of experience maturing as only an African-American (in relation to most other politicians from senator and up) could experience. He has not had much experience as the leader of any group- this could be good and it could be bad. To say he is a great president because he has two degrees from one of the top learning institutions is premature, and a swipe at "lesser" presidents such as Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Lincoln

GeneW · 01-14-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bobselectric

No one is denying that President-Elect Obama is a really bright guy, probably the most educated president in the history of the nation.

Woodrow Wilson gained a PhD in Political Science from Johns Hopkins University in 1883, back in a time when PhDs were not given away, there was no grade inflation and Presbyterian boys from Rebel States (Wilson came from South Carolina and had survived Reconstruction) were not cut much slack in Baltimore.

Wilson taught at Bryn Mawr College, Wesleyan University, and Princeton. He eventually became President of Princeton before going into New Jersey State Politics.

No way in hell can you claim that a PhD in Poly Sci from Johns Hopkins awarded in 1886 is less than a JD from Harvard awarded in 1991. To this day Wilson is the only President who has achieved a PhD.

FWIW, George Bush Jr may be the only US President who has ever achieved a Masters Degree. Yes, Bush has a Harvard Business School MBA. They're not given away like tickets to the homecoming game. Gotta earn 'em.

I'm gonna ask it - why does a JD from Harvard and a BA from Columbia give Obama the prerogatives to be President but a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard does not qualify Bush for anything in particular? Both men achieved post graduate degrees from the very same school - why is Obama better? His progressive credentials? His cult of personality? Maybe some covert racism from some people who consider a man of color achieving so much to be a marvel of sorts?

Where I come from lawyers are not necessarily better Presidents. Richard Nixon and Abraham Lincoln come to mind.

I realize that it is very difficult for a young person to achieve much before they decide to run for President.

Bill Clinton managed to serve two terms as Arkansas Governor and one term as Arkansas Attorney General. He also taught Constitutional Law at the University of Arkansas. I don't consider him a good President but that's due to my own convictions - I'm not sure that his opponents would have done any better.

John Kennedy, who was a young man when he decided to run for President, actually accomplished a few things in the Senate before he opted to run for President. Ironically this included supplementing the Kefauver hearings with his own hearings on organized crime and helping to lead US support for a free Algeria.

Obama owed it to himself to achieve a few things besides three terms in the Illinois legislature, part of a US Senate term, teaching Constitutional Law classes, running a "Community Activist" organization, trying a handful of cases and doing clerical work on several more at one Chicago law firm.

If he had any damned sense he would have done a bit more case law in Civil Rights, maybe work a bit more with running poverty programs in Chicago and Detroit. Definitely do something practical before jumping into politics.

I think if Obama's Presidency achieves much it's going to be in spite of his lack of practical experience in executive management.

I think one thing we can rule out right away - nobody is gonna get their gas tanks filled up and their mortgages paid by Obama.

Gene

Bob_VT · 01-13-2009, 06:30 PM

I think the first line of the speach sets the tone. I have no doubt that PE Obama will deliver a speach that will become historic.

I am going to sit back and watch the fireworks. Since there is only one person in the oval office..... he will be the focal point of everything regardless if it is inherited or not.

There are a hundreds of good speakers Reagan was one, Kennedy was one, Obama is one however being a good speaker is NOT related to a person's education. One of the greatest speakers in all of history never spent a day in college nor did he have a degree!

ChinoCharles · 01-13-2009, 06:34 PM

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He has not had much experience as the leader of any group

The Harvard Law Review and the most prolific campaign in modern political history don't count for much, eh?

I'd stack those up against the SAG and a governorship any day. Arnold is the current governor of California, mind you. Maybe HE should be president, since he is more qualified.

And about speaking, trust I have a deep respect for the power of persuasion. I in no way believe being a good speaker makes you a good leader or a just man. Hitler?

bobselectric · 01-13-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

The Harvard Law Review and the most prolific campaign in modern political history don't count for much, eh?

I'd stack those up against the SAG and a governorship any day. Arnold is the current governor of California, mind you. Maybe HE should be president, since he is more qualified.

And about speaking, trust I have a deep respect for the power of persuasion. I in no way believe being a good speaker makes you a good leader or a just man. Hitler?

You miss my point- I'm not implying that Arnold has more qualifications for the presidency, nor that President-Elect Obama has zero leadership experience. My point is that the collegiate experience and real world experience are vastly different and that I would reserve my judgment on the legacy of the Obama Presidency until it has passed.
I also take it that you don't remember the Carter campaign in '76- that was the most prolific campaign in political history, taking a relatively unknown Georgia peanut farmer and electing him to the governorship of a southern state and vaulting him into the presidency in 4 years. Carter was no one, even after he was elected governor.
I hope President Obama exceeds the expectations that everyone has for President-Elect Obama, and thusly earns his greatness- rather than having it thrust upon him. No truly great person has been given his greatness- he has forged it and earned it himself

Bob_VT · 01-13-2009, 07:08 PM

So you are comparing Hitler to Obama? Have you read the Harvard Law Review? You are basing PE Obama's potential on his education...... correct?

Stop twisting what is being said! Bobselectric was saying Reagan was a great orator which come from the ability to speak to cameras. That is where the SAG comes in.

Just a simple FYI the greatest orator was Jesus...... not educated with degrees.

bobselectric · 01-13-2009, 07:13 PM

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Just a simple FYI the greatest orator was Jesus...... not educated with degrees.

yeah-but who wrote his stuff-GOD- it's easy to be eloquent when GOD writes your stuff

PaidTimeOff · 01-13-2009, 09:00 PM

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Just a simple FYI the greatest orator was Jesus...... not educated with degrees.

Well, seeing as how we don't have any actual transcripts of his speeches, nobody can say for certain that that is true.

Sure, Christianity has spread throughout the world and has had many followers but it's a fact that the Bible wasn't written until hundreds of years after his death. He never actually addressed millions in his speeches, he simply addressed a few and his beliefs were spread by word of mouth. We've all played the game "telephone" when we were kids right? You remember how messed up that original message got by the end of the line? Imagine how different the speeches were passing through centuries and thousands of different mouths. He was a fantastic symbol of how kind and selfless a human being could be, but I definitely wouldn't categorize him as the greatest orator. That is one thing we sadly won't ever know...

That is, until Doc Brown perfects that Mr. Fusion and tricks out his Delorean.

kou · 01-13-2009, 10:20 PM

jesus couldnt even talk his way out of crucifixion...blasphemy you say. there are other religions way before that of jesus and the jews. Zoroastrian religion was around 6 century B.C and is pretty much what every other religion is based on,all stories to control the will of man.

KCALB SIRAY · 01-13-2009, 07:17 PM

Pulling it back to the post, the idea of a Big Governement is not the right choice. We've seen it fall into the wrong hands and the housing bubble was the soap, so to speak. Too much lathering put us where we are now and it's time to stop it, cough ahembarneyfrankjimmycarterahem cough

Bob_VT · 01-13-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bobselectric

yeah-but who wrote his stuff-GOD- it's easy to be eloquent when GOD writes your stuff

Huh so even his writer didn't have a degree!

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Originally Posted by KCALB SIRAY

Pulling it back to the post, the idea of a Big Governement is not the right choice. We've seen it fall into the wrong hands and the housing bubble was the soap, so to speak. Too much lathering put us where we are now and it's time to stop it, cough ahembarneyfrankjimmycarterahem cough

You got the dem flu?

ChinoCharles · 01-13-2009, 07:22 PM

Jesus can't be the greatest orator ever. He isn't even on YouTube.

KCALB SIRAY · 01-13-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

Jesus can't be the greatest orator ever. He isn't even on YouTube.

Off topic:

On Topic:

The pork will comma with Obama, I'm just saying

ChinoCharles · 01-13-2009, 07:27 PM

I need to unsubscribe from this thread before I start swearing. Politics I can argue about and stay somewhat classy. Religion? Erm no. Later all, have fun!

bobselectric · 01-13-2009, 07:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JKIZ7j20EA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWDrTXMgF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhXeZ453ux4, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75V2socOEVc

Examples- I hope that President-Elect Obama could make me feel the way these clips do

Bob_VT · 01-13-2009, 07:59 PM

I remember every one of those!

Altitude · 01-13-2009, 08:16 PM

So I guess we're in for 4 years of comparison to Reagan. Fair enough.

As for Jesus, I find it hard to attribute anything written in The Bible as the actual words he may or may not have spoken given the fact that most of what is written of him and his 'speeches' was done after the fact and through the filter of hundreds of years after his death. Needless to say the words themselves are some of the most profound. It's a shame most people can't abide by them much less avoid the trap of spinning his teachings to match ones own point of view.

01-13-2009, 06:30 PM	#4
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	I think the first line of the speach sets the tone. I have no doubt that PE Obama will deliver a speach that will become historic. I am going to sit back and watch the fireworks. Since there is only one person in the oval office..... he will be the focal point of everything regardless if it is inherited or not. There are a hundreds of good speakers Reagan was one, Kennedy was one, Obama is one however being a good speaker is NOT related to a person's education. One of the greatest speakers in all of history never spent a day in college nor did he have a degree! __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

01-13-2009, 07:17 PM	#11
KCALB SIRAY それを吸ってください View User's Garage Drives: black sand lb Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 8,894	Pulling it back to the post, the idea of a Big Governement is not the right choice. We've seen it fall into the wrong hands and the housing bubble was the soap, so to speak. Too much lathering put us where we are now and it's time to stop it, cough ahembarneyfrankjimmycarterahem cough __________________ http://lifesdailypimpslap.tumblr.com/#me My Build

01-13-2009, 07:59 PM	#17
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	I remember every one of those! __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

01-13-2009, 06:13 PM	#1
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	You gave Ronald Reagan credit for heading up the SAG and becoming governor of California, but give Obama no credit from having two degrees from two of the best schools in the country. Instead, he is somehow inexperienced. I'm not singling you out. Most take this approach. I'm just saying it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

01-13-2009, 06:28 PM	#2
bobselectric Kickin' Yaris Drives: 07 Yaris liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: west harrison, ny Posts: 523	No one is denying that President-Elect Obama is a really bright guy, probably the most educated president in the history of the nation. My point is that once you get the education, lifes experience should shape what your views are- not your college professors. President-Elect Obama has had a wealth of experience maturing as only an African-American (in relation to most other politicians from senator and up) could experience. He has not had much experience as the leader of any group- this could be good and it could be bad. To say he is a great president because he has two degrees from one of the top learning institutions is premature, and a swipe at "lesser" presidents such as Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Lincoln

01-13-2009, 07:08 PM	#7
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	So you are comparing Hitler to Obama? Have you read the Harvard Law Review? You are basing PE Obama's potential on his education...... correct? Stop twisting what is being said! Bobselectric was saying Reagan was a great orator which come from the ability to speak to cameras. That is where the SAG comes in. Just a simple FYI the greatest orator was Jesus...... not educated with degrees.

01-13-2009, 10:20 PM	#10
kou View User's Garage Drives: 08 lb Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: nj Posts: 935	jesus couldnt even talk his way out of crucifixion...blasphemy you say. there are other religions way before that of jesus and the jews. Zoroastrian religion was around 6 century B.C and is pretty much what every other religion is based on,all stories to control the will of man.

01-13-2009, 07:22 PM	#13
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	Jesus can't be the greatest orator ever. He isn't even on YouTube.

01-13-2009, 07:27 PM	#15
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	I need to unsubscribe from this thread before I start swearing. Politics I can argue about and stay somewhat classy. Religion? Erm no. Later all, have fun!

01-13-2009, 07:33 PM	#16
bobselectric Kickin' Yaris Drives: 07 Yaris liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: west harrison, ny Posts: 523	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JKIZ7j20EA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWDrTXMgF8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhXeZ453ux4, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75V2socOEVc Examples- I hope that President-Elect Obama could make me feel the way these clips do

01-13-2009, 08:16 PM	#18
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	So I guess we're in for 4 years of comparison to Reagan. Fair enough. As for Jesus, I find it hard to attribute anything written in The Bible as the actual words he may or may not have spoken given the fact that most of what is written of him and his 'speeches' was done after the fact and through the filter of hundreds of years after his death. Needless to say the words themselves are some of the most profound. It's a shame most people can't abide by them much less avoid the trap of spinning his teachings to match ones own point of view.