Lowering Springs vs Coil overs - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

JumpmanYaris · 08-09-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DerFlosser

KW coilovers are the best street coilovers I have ever used. Super comfortable....

Where did you find em?

IsLNdbOi · 09-21-2009, 11:36 PM

So if we install springs with the stock shocks, do we need bump stops? Do all these new springs come with bump stops?

Lafiro · 09-22-2009, 12:58 AM

Agreed.

If you use stock shocks with lowering springs, then yes you must cut the bump stops. Search you will find the answers to that with pictures.

If you get coil-overs, then its already set, and no modification other then probably height/stiffness need to be made.

ozmdd · 09-22-2009, 01:03 AM

Coilovers are really about performance and adjustability, not comfort. I've never ridden in a C/O vehicle that was not stiff-as-hell, but that's the point; flat cornering=better control/grip. Its expensive, but people pay for it for a reason; it can't be matched by springs/struts. On the other hand, you can get a big handling improvement with quality springs, and your oem struts will last a few years, depending on the drop. You will still notice a decrease in ride comfort, and its greater with lower drops and stiffer springs, but every aftermarket spring is probably stiffer than stock. Same goes for struts/shocks: aftermarket versions will range in stiffness (why can't we get AGX's???) and will improve handling, but ride comfort will decrease.
If you mainly want the car to look cooler and handle a bit better but still be a daily driver street car in the real world, get some name-brand lowering springs. Cheap, easy, effective, REVERSIBLE (in case you hate them).

FunctionSpec · 09-22-2009, 01:51 AM

Tein Basics are probably the most comfortable coilover setup for the Yaris, IMO. It's a mild setup as far as spring rate and shock dampening. It has enough stiffness to keep from bottoming out and rubbing with 4 people in the car even when riding about 2.25in lowered. Also provides a nice upgrade in handling performance. Had mine for about 40K miles and still running strong.

Only other coilovers I can compare to are BC Racing which are a lot stiffer then the Teins Basics and handle way better but they were not comfortable on the street for me.

Oh yeah another thing is that one persons view on comfort can very a lot compared to someone else's view on comfort. My comfort rating is set pretty high so I like things to be pretty comfortable, so when I say the Teins are comfortable, they really are, lol.

On getting a spring and shock combo, they vary as far as comfort and performance because different springs mated to different shocks would give different performance. But overall they should provide decent performance, comfort, and drop. But for you, I would just recommend a spring and shock combo over coilovers unless you get the Tein Basics. All other coilover brands are pretty much for flat-out performance and adjustability, better suited for track junkies.

Main difference is price. 500-600 for decent spring/shock combo. 800-1000 for decent coilovers and 1400+ for some badass ones, lol

*tk-421* · 09-22-2009, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi

So if we install springs with the stock shocks, do we need bump stops? Do all these new springs come with bump stops?

Springs don't usually come with bump stops AFAIK. You may want to invest in a new set since a few brands require you to cut the bump stops a bit. I had to cut them for my NF210s.

IsLNdbOi · 09-22-2009, 03:09 AM

Where can we purchase extra bump stops? Are there any that are already modified for use w/ lowering springs and stock shocks?

*tk-421* · 09-22-2009, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi

Where can we purchase extra bump stops? Are there any that are already modified for use w/ lowering springs and stock shocks?

http://fatcatmotorsports.com/FCMstops_Yaris.htm

*tk-421* · 09-24-2009, 01:24 AM

Coilovers FTW if you have the cash and don't mind adjusting them every time you get on/off the track.
Otherwise lowering springs are way cheaper and do offer some of the same benefits, but are mainly just to make the car look good.

IsLNdbOi · 09-24-2009, 01:27 AM

I'm not mechanically inclined. What's involved in adjusting coilovers?

What about modified bump stops? Would I need those as well for coilovers?

Tamago · 09-24-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi

I'm not mechanically inclined. What's involved in adjusting coilovers?

What about modified bump stops? Would I need those as well for coilovers?

adjusting the height = taking weight of the strut, turning the perch up or down (and counting the number of turns) and locking in place

adjusting strut bound/rebound should be able to be done from the top or bottom of the strut.

Tamago · 09-24-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tk-421

Coilovers FTW if you have the cash and don't mind adjusting them every time you get on/off the track.
Otherwise lowering springs are way cheaper and do offer some of the same benefits, but are mainly just to make the car look good.

why would you adjust them up and down?

*tk-421* · 09-24-2009, 01:35 AM

Here's something I dug up by searching the googlewebz:
http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forum...dpost&p=297275

Lots more here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=adjusting+coilovers

IsLNdbOi · 09-24-2009, 01:38 AM

Wow, you need another alignment whenever you adjust the height of the front wheels? I don't have any of the gear to do this.

Maybe its the lowering springs for me then. Or I could just get the coilovers, leave them at one height and keep them just to say I have coilovers.

*tk-421* · 09-24-2009, 01:40 AM

... or get non-adjustable coilovers (cheaper and less hassle)

Tamago · 09-24-2009, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IsLNdbOi

Wow, you need another alignment whenever you adjust the height of the front wheels? I don't have any of the gear to do this.

Maybe its the lowering springs for me then. Or I could just get the coilovers, leave them at one height and keep them just to say I have coilovers.

the point of coilovers is a corner balance (sometimes called corner weighting)

all other reasons are "just to say"

IsLNdbOi · 09-24-2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

the point of coilovers is a corner balance (sometimes called corner weighting)

all other reasons are "just to say"

So coilovers + rear sway bar would improve the handling of my Yaris by a large margin?

Tamago · 09-24-2009, 01:49 AM

good struts and springs are far better than "budget" coilovers like Tein, Megan, D2, Ksport.

09-24-2009, 01:24 AM	#27
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09-24-2009, 01:35 AM	#31
tk-421 Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 5D-07-LB Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dagobah Posts: 4,263	Here's something I dug up by searching the googlewebz: http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forum...dpost&p=297275 Lots more here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=adjusting+coilovers __________________ --[ FORUM RULES ]--[ SEARCHING TIPS ]--[ EYELIDS PICS ]--[ RBK SPOILER ]--[ BEST/WORST INVESTMENTS ]--

09-24-2009, 01:40 AM	#33
tk-421 Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 5D-07-LB Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dagobah Posts: 4,263	... or get non-adjustable coilovers (cheaper and less hassle) __________________ --[ FORUM RULES ]--[ SEARCHING TIPS ]--[ EYELIDS PICS ]--[ RBK SPOILER ]--[ BEST/WORST INVESTMENTS ]--

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09-21-2009, 11:36 PM	#20
IsLNdbOi Drives: Polar White - 5 Door '09 LB Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,285	So if we install springs with the stock shocks, do we need bump stops? Do all these new springs come with bump stops?

09-22-2009, 12:58 AM	#21
Lafiro Drives: 06 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 694	Agreed. If you use stock shocks with lowering springs, then yes you must cut the bump stops. Search you will find the answers to that with pictures. If you get coil-overs, then its already set, and no modification other then probably height/stiffness need to be made.

09-22-2009, 01:03 AM	#22
ozmdd Reluctantly Crouched... Drives: 2008 Yaris HB M/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 867	Coilovers are really about performance and adjustability, not comfort. I've never ridden in a C/O vehicle that was not stiff-as-hell, but that's the point; flat cornering=better control/grip. Its expensive, but people pay for it for a reason; it can't be matched by springs/struts. On the other hand, you can get a big handling improvement with quality springs, and your oem struts will last a few years, depending on the drop. You will still notice a decrease in ride comfort, and its greater with lower drops and stiffer springs, but every aftermarket spring is probably stiffer than stock. Same goes for struts/shocks: aftermarket versions will range in stiffness (why can't we get AGX's???) and will improve handling, but ride comfort will decrease. If you mainly want the car to look cooler and handle a bit better but still be a daily driver street car in the real world, get some name-brand lowering springs. Cheap, easy, effective, REVERSIBLE (in case you hate them).

09-22-2009, 01:51 AM	#23
FunctionSpec Super Newbie View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback White Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 626, Southern California Posts: 180	Tein Basics are probably the most comfortable coilover setup for the Yaris, IMO. It's a mild setup as far as spring rate and shock dampening. It has enough stiffness to keep from bottoming out and rubbing with 4 people in the car even when riding about 2.25in lowered. Also provides a nice upgrade in handling performance. Had mine for about 40K miles and still running strong. Only other coilovers I can compare to are BC Racing which are a lot stiffer then the Teins Basics and handle way better but they were not comfortable on the street for me. Oh yeah another thing is that one persons view on comfort can very a lot compared to someone else's view on comfort. My comfort rating is set pretty high so I like things to be pretty comfortable, so when I say the Teins are comfortable, they really are, lol. On getting a spring and shock combo, they vary as far as comfort and performance because different springs mated to different shocks would give different performance. But overall they should provide decent performance, comfort, and drop. But for you, I would just recommend a spring and shock combo over coilovers unless you get the Tein Basics. All other coilover brands are pretty much for flat-out performance and adjustability, better suited for track junkies. Main difference is price. 500-600 for decent spring/shock combo. 800-1000 for decent coilovers and 1400+ for some badass ones, lol

09-22-2009, 03:09 AM	#25
IsLNdbOi Drives: Polar White - 5 Door '09 LB Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,285	Where can we purchase extra bump stops? Are there any that are already modified for use w/ lowering springs and stock shocks?

09-24-2009, 01:27 AM	#28
IsLNdbOi Drives: Polar White - 5 Door '09 LB Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,285	I'm not mechanically inclined. What's involved in adjusting coilovers? What about modified bump stops? Would I need those as well for coilovers?

09-24-2009, 01:38 AM	#32
IsLNdbOi Drives: Polar White - 5 Door '09 LB Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,285	Wow, you need another alignment whenever you adjust the height of the front wheels? I don't have any of the gear to do this. Maybe its the lowering springs for me then. Or I could just get the coilovers, leave them at one height and keep them just to say I have coilovers.